Alec Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 I know this is the German Version, but it seemed like a great deal. So I bought it. However, there are more avail. Art Pepper 16 CD Boxset "The Complete Galaxy Recordings" disclaimer: I am not the seller, nor do I know the seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Great set, fair price. I picked mine up through Zweitausendeins for about $25 american, about a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 What's the dealio on this. The US version is $180 or so. What's the sound like on the European version. Is there different packaging. Why is this so cheap? $75 is pretty inviting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 (edited) Zweitausendeins had these Fantasy sets for years in the catalogue, for 5 Euro/CD (80 Euro for the Pepper set). That's a normal price, given the cheap packaging. Then they decided to sell out these sets. The price of less than 2 Euro/CD was exceptional, and they were gone very quickly. As far as I know, the remastering of the sets is identical to the US sets. I have the Pepper, Miles, Monk and Bill Evans Riverside sets and the sound is decent but dated. ZYX started their own (partly horrible) remastering only later. I find the official prices of the US sets is to be too high. They're almost as expensive as Mosaic sets, but their collector's value is much lower. Edited May 8, 2004 by Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Claude, Thanks for the info. By "dated" sound, do you mean 16 bit and you can elaborate what you mean by "cheap packaging?" Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 (edited) The sets sound like the first CD reissues from Fantasy (1986-89): Lacking dynamics and frequency extension. Dull but rather clean. For non-audiophiles it will be acceptable, but the K2 CDs of the same recordings are much superior. The packaging consists of jewel cases containing 4 CDs each (probably like the US sets). Whereas the US sets are packaged in LP-size boxes with a LP-size color (?) booklet containing complete discographical info and notes (like Mosaic sets), in the ZYX sets the jewel cases are in a very tightly fitting carton sleeve (difficult to handle), and the b/w booklet is reduced to CD size (very small text) and missing much of the content (notes and original album listing) Luckily, John (couw) made some additional booklets with complete discographical info (session info and original album names) in MS Word, that can be printed and folded and fit the boxes. They are phenomenal. You can find the download location for the booklets with the board search function, as well as other discussions of these sets. Edited May 8, 2004 by Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 (edited) Here's a picture of my Pepper set. The paper on top of the CDs is couw's booklet. Edited May 8, 2004 by Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Thanks Claude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Pusey Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 The german issues are shabby, the cardboard box flimsy and the booklet unreadable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neveronfriday Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 The german issues are shabby, the cardboard box flimsy and the booklet unreadable. Yes, but affordable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Certainly ties with the Monk and Evans Riversides as my best $25 deal ever.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 The german issues are shabby, the cardboard box flimsy and the booklet unreadable. Yes, but affordable. And the music's magnificent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 (edited) The german issues are shabby, the cardboard box flimsy and the booklet unreadable. Yes, but affordable. And the music's magnificent! Yes, but coupled with all that and Claude's view that the sound is ok, there would seem to be a reason why the US edition is somewhat more ($225). However, I also agree with his view that it's probably overpriced. Based on what I hear here, I'll pass on the ZYX set. BTW, when this discussion started, this seller had for set. Now, there are 2. We've got market power Edited May 8, 2004 by Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 The german issues are shabby, the cardboard box flimsy and the booklet unreadable. Yes, but affordable. And the music's magnificent! Yes, but coupled with all that and Claude's view that the sound is ok, there would seem to be a reason why the US edition is somewhat more ($225). However, I also agree with his view that it's probably overpriced. Based on what I hear here, I'll pass on the ZYX set. BTW, when this discussion started, this seller had for set. Now, there are 2. We've got market power Well unfortunately for me the saying 'Beggars cant be choosers' rings true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 (edited) Yes, but coupled with all that and Claude's view that the sound is ok, there would seem to be a reason why the US edition is somewhat more ($225). However, I also agree with his view that it's probably overpriced. Based on what I hear here, I'll pass on the ZYX set. BTW, when this discussion started, this seller had for set. Now, there are 2. We've got market power Brad, I purchased the German set from another eBay seller a few months ago. I am VERY pleased with the sound. although I do agree with the complaint about the booklet. However, for this price, and unless you have the ears of an Alsatian (and I don't mean from Alsace-Lorraine) then this is a bargain in comparison to the U.S. set. I have seen the U.S. set go for anywhere between $150-190 on eBay. Now.. can someone point me in the direction of Couw's invaluable improvement on the German booklet, please? Edited May 8, 2004 by garthsj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 $ 225,00 !!! No wonder I never bought it. It might be worth it, musically. The ZYX edition was too flimsy for my taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 The german issues are shabby, the cardboard box flimsy and the booklet unreadable. Yes, but affordable. And the music's magnificent! Yes, but coupled with all that and Claude's view that the sound is ok, there would seem to be a reason why the US edition is somewhat more ($225). However, I also agree with his view that it's probably overpriced. Based on what I hear here, I'll pass on the ZYX set. BTW, when this discussion started, this seller had for set. Now, there are 2. We've got market power Well unfortunately for me the saying 'Beggars cant be choosers' rings true. Hey, I'm no beggar, impoverished, maybe, beggar no. Course I never refuse a handout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 My Galaxy box has a tiny sticker from Tower Records with a $223,99 price tag. Bought the box when it came out around 1990 but can't recall buying this in the USA (and carrying it back). Probably got it in Paris at a more reasonable price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Yes, but coupled with all that and Claude's view that the sound is ok, there would seem to be a reason why the US edition is somewhat more ($225). However, I also agree with his view that it's probably overpriced. Based on what I hear here, I'll pass on the ZYX set. BTW, when this discussion started, this seller had for set. Now, there are 2. We've got market power Brad, I purchased the German set from another eBay seller a few months ago. I am VERY pleased with the sound. although I do agree with the complaint about the booklet. However, for this price, and unless you have the ears of an Alsatian (and I don't mean from Alsace-Lorraine) then this is a bargain in comparison to the U.S. set. I have seen the U.S. set go for anywhere between $150-190 on eBay. Now.. can someone point me in the direction of Couw's invaluable improvement on the German booklet, please? Garth, Here's the link to couw's work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Here's another thread, with download links (they still work) "alternative" booklets to OJC box sets, upon popular request Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 (edited) Many Thanks .... I am pleasantly amazed that this list always comes through .... Edited May 8, 2004 by garthsj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 The german issues are shabby, the cardboard box flimsy and the booklet unreadable. Yes, but affordable. And the music's magnificent! Yes, but coupled with all that and Claude's view that the sound is ok, there would seem to be a reason why the US edition is somewhat more ($225). However, I also agree with his view that it's probably overpriced. Based on what I hear here, I'll pass on the ZYX set. BTW, when this discussion started, this seller had for set. Now, there are 2. We've got market power Well unfortunately for me the saying 'Beggars cant be choosers' rings true. Hey, I'm no beggar, impoverished, maybe, beggar no. Course I never refuse a handout OOPs sorry Brad . Does that read that I was calling you a beggar? I wasnt trying to say that at all-I was reffering to me . All I was trying to say was my choice was some cheap Art Pepper or none at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Well, I'll 'fess up, I bought a set based on the first post and the comments back and forth. I have probably 1/3 of the music as individual CDs, but it sounded like a pretty good deal, especially since I could get the better liner notes (thanks couw!). No question that this forum is hard on the wallet. Recently I got Ranelin's Vibes from the Tribe, which I like, and just ordered Whitaker's Black Renaissance based on forum comments. So far I haven't been disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 OOPs sorry Brad . Does that read that I was calling you a beggar? I wasnt trying to say that at all-I was reffering to me . All I was trying to say was my choice was some cheap Art Pepper or none at all. Gary, I didn't think so. Just thought I'd bring some levity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 OOPs sorry Brad . Does that read that I was calling you a beggar? I wasnt trying to say that at all-I was reffering to me . All I was trying to say was my choice was some cheap Art Pepper or none at all. Gary, I didn't think so. Just thought I'd bring some levity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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