Uncle Skid Posted April 25, 2006 Report Posted April 25, 2006 Hmmm.... I'd think the exact opposite -- 7,500 copies, been on the endangered list for at least a year now (maybe more?), been in print for quite a long time now... Of course, what really matters, is that this music ends up in the hands of those that really appreciate it, as opposed to speculators... Quote
Late Posted April 25, 2006 Report Posted April 25, 2006 Absolutely. I guess I was just naively thinking: "The music's so good, and if it's out-of-print, people will pay anything for it!" (Insert optional dork laugh.) Quote
Uncle Skid Posted April 25, 2006 Report Posted April 25, 2006 Yes. The music is indeed quite good! I think there will always be an (inflated) eBay market for OOP Mosaics, if only for those (like myself) that become interested in various sets long after they're gone. I'm completely shocked by the $ amounts that the (fairly recently) OOP Morgan/Shorter set is fetching. I was lucky enough to have purchased that one before it was gone -- but I can say confidently that there is no way I would pay $200+ for that set now. It's good... but THAT good?? (The Andrew Hill set is another matter entirely!) The JJ, however, has been in print for so long that I would hope that everybody that wants a copy already has one. BUT, I can't say I'd be surprised if you are right. OOP Mosaics are instantly more valuable than in-print titles, and eBay prices have never made any sense to me! Quote
Late Posted April 25, 2006 Report Posted April 25, 2006 Dig. I hope (trust) that at least all interested parties here have it, or purchase it very soon. The set does not disappoint. Even if you're not a big J.J. fan, but are a big Max Roach fan ... you'll want this one. I remember wavering on the Andrew Hill set way back when (because I already had about half the set in different forms) ... and didn't buy it. Needless to say, that was one of the dumberer moves I've made. As a result, I pre-ordered the Mosaic Select about .02 seconds after it was made available for pre-order. Easily my favorite Select. Quote
jeffrey r Posted April 25, 2006 Report Posted April 25, 2006 The JJ, however, has been in print for so long that I would hope that everybody that wants a copy already has one. Seems like a valid point, but there are always people who come late to the party. For example, as of a year ago, my jazz collection consisted of a few Miles albums, and a few Coltrane albums. Didn't know that Rollins, Shorter, Mobley, Morgan, etc. existed. Then through this board, the Hoffman forum, and other boards, I learned of Blue Note, Verve, and so many of the amazing jazz artists out there. Needless to say, I now own about 10 big Mosaic sets, about 10 selects, many Miles and Coltrane boxsets, a ton of Blue Note albums, etc. Anyway, my point is, if the JJ set went OOP a year and a half ago, I wouldn't own it. Just like all of the other Mosaic sets that are OOP and which I don't own. But since I got in at the right time to own the JJ set, amongst others, it is a part of my collection. But there are always new people being turned on to jazz, and they're a ready market for the out-of-print sets that many of you probably took for granted when you were buying them up at regular prices. Me personally, I won't pay e-bay prices for OOP Mosaic sets. But I'm upset I don't have some of them in my collection. Quote
Quincy Posted April 25, 2006 Report Posted April 25, 2006 The JJ, however, has been in print for so long that I would hope that everybody that wants a copy already has one. Seems like a valid point, but there are always people who come late to the party. For example, as of a year ago, my jazz collection consisted of a few Miles albums, and a few Coltrane albums. Am I looking in the mirror? I have a few years head start on you but not that many, and yup, that's where my jazz collection started too (as it does for many.) Once I got going there were still too many "basics" too pick up one disc at a time than to jump right into Mosaics. There are continually new people coming to the party. Hooray hooray! Then through this board, the Hoffman forum, and other boards, I learned of Blue Note, Verve, and so many of the amazing jazz artists out there. Needless to say, I now own about 10 big Mosaic sets, about 10 selects, many Miles and Coltrane boxsets, a ton of Blue Note albums, etc. I'm telling ya, if we could convince Mosaic to give just a nickel a disc that came their way from organissimo it might be an amount one shouldn't sneeze at. Nice post Jeffrey. Quote
Matthew Posted April 29, 2006 Report Posted April 29, 2006 I decided to order the J.J. set this morning, my first Mosaic box set purchase in three years. After three years of buying nothing from Mosaic, this week I bought all the singles and now this one. Yikes! What's happening to me. Quote
Guest Chaney Posted April 29, 2006 Report Posted April 29, 2006 I decided to order the J.J. set this morning, my first Mosaic box set purchase in three years. After three years of buying nothing from Mosaic, this week I bought all the singles and now this one. Yikes! What's happening to me. Recidivist. Quote
medjuck Posted April 29, 2006 Report Posted April 29, 2006 Me too! Actually I only bought 3 singles. Blue Trumbone was one of the first Jazz albums I owned. (got it form the Columbia record club when it was new. ) Curious to see what number I get. Unfortunately I'll be in LA next week when they arrive here in Santa Barbara, so I won't find out my number until next weekend. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted May 1, 2006 Report Posted May 1, 2006 Wow...I coulda swore this set sold out a couple of months ago... Quote
Matthew Posted May 1, 2006 Report Posted May 1, 2006 Wow...I coulda swore this set sold out a couple of months ago... Doesn't look like it, received word this morning that the set is being mailed today. Quote
connoisseur series500 Posted May 2, 2006 Report Posted May 2, 2006 Wow...I coulda swore this set sold out a couple of months ago... Doesn't look like it, received word this morning that the set is being mailed today. I just pulled the trigger on a set.... Quote
Bill Nelson Posted May 2, 2006 Report Posted May 2, 2006 Wow...I coulda swore this set sold out a couple of months ago... Heck, two YEARS ago, you guys were writing how it'd be the next one to expire. If this keeps up, Mosiac's gonna have to move it from 'Last Chance' to 'Running Low'. Quote
David Ayers Posted May 2, 2006 Report Posted May 2, 2006 Wow...I coulda swore this set sold out a couple of months ago... Heck, two YEARS ago, you guys were writing how it'd be the next one to expire. If this keeps up, Mosiac's gonna have to move it from 'Last Chance' to 'Running Low'. Oh we know our onions round here. Next thing they'll be printing another 10,000... Quote
Soulstation1 Posted May 2, 2006 Report Posted May 2, 2006 there are about 20 JJJ mosaic sets left Quote
BFrank Posted May 2, 2006 Report Posted May 2, 2006 there are about 20 JJJ mosaic sets left ... and you're buying them ALL. Right, $$1? Quote
Daniel A Posted May 2, 2006 Report Posted May 2, 2006 The Mosaic homepage now looks like this: We're sorry. Our store is temporarily closed. Please try again later. Quote
JohnT Posted May 2, 2006 Report Posted May 2, 2006 Wow!! The the whole Mosaic Store is closed!!!! OK, who bought up EVERY Mosaic set -- There were still a couple I still wanted to pick up!!! Quote
connoisseur series500 Posted May 2, 2006 Report Posted May 2, 2006 there are about 20 JJJ mosaic sets left ... and you're buying them ALL. Right, $$1? I managed to snatch one before $$1 came in to scoop up what's left and manipulate the secondary market. Quote
Soulstation1 Posted May 3, 2006 Report Posted May 3, 2006 The Complete Columbia J.J. Johnson Small Group Sess. (#169) DISCOGRAPHY (A) J.J. Johnson (tb), Bobby Jaspar (ts, fl -1), Hank Jones (p), Percy Heath (b), Elvin Jones (d). July 24, 1956 co56830 I Should Care unissued co56831 Overdrive CL935 co56832 Undecided -1 - co56833 Joey, Joey, Joey unissued co56834 Angel Eyes CL935 (B) J.J. Johnson (tb), Bobby Jaspar (ts, fl -1), Hank Jones (p), Wilbur Little (b), Elvin Jones (d). July 25, 1956 co56835 Tumbling Tumbleweeds CL935 co56836 Cube Steak - co56837 Never Let Me Go -1 - co56838 Solar - © J.J. Johnson (tb), Bobby Jaspar (ts, fl -1), Tommy Flanagan (p), Wilbur Little (b), Elvin Jones (d). July 27, 1956 co56315 Chasin' The Bird CL935 co56316 Naptown U.S.A. - co56317 It Might As Well Be Spring -1 - (D) J.J. Johnson (tb), Bobby Jaspar (ts, fl -1), Tommy Flanagan (p), Wilbur Little (b), Elvin Jones (d). January 29, 1957 co57273 Bird Song CL1084 co57274 It Could Happen To You -1 (omit tb) - co57275 Our Love Is Here To Stay (omit Jasper) - co57275 Blue Haze - co56830 I Should Care (remake) CL973 (E) J.J. Johnson (tb), Bobby Jaspar (ts, fl -1), Tommy Flanagan (p), Wilbur Little (b), Elvin Jones (d). January 31, 1957 co57277 Barbados CL1084 co57278 In A Little Provincial Town -1 - co57279 Cette Chose - co56833 Joey, Joey, Joey (remake) Playboy 1529/30 (F) J.J. Johnson (tb), Tommy Flanagan (p), Paul Chambers (b), Max Roach (d). April 11, 1957 co57801 I've Got You Under My Skin CL1020 co57802 Harvey's House CL1030 co57803 Nickels And Dimes - co57804 That Tired Routine Called Love - co57805 For Heaven's Sake - co57806 Paul's Pal - (G) J.J. Johnson (tb), Tommy Flanagan (p), Paul Chambers (b), Max Roach (d). April 12, 1957 co57807-4 It's Only A Paper Moon CL1030 co57808-1 Out Of My Dreams unissued co57809-1 Commutation CL1030 co57810-2 God Bless The Child unissued co57811-5 Be My Love CL1030 (H) J.J. Johnson (tb), Tommy Flanagan (p), Paul Chambers (b), Max Roach (d). April 26, 1957 co57724-1 Cry Me A River CL1030 co57725-4 Hello Young Lovers CS8109 co57726-5 100 Proof - co57727-2 What's New - (I) J.J. Johnson (tb), Tommy Flanagan (p), Paul Chambers (b), Max Roach (d). May 3, 1957 co57909-5 Kev CS8109 co57910-5 Gone With The Wind - co57811-1/2 Blue Trombone (Parts 1 and 2) - note: On CS 8109, Blue Trombone was issued in two parts. The tape ran out during the bass solo causing the break in the tune. But the tune was edited together as a continuous performance soon after the session. That version is used here for the first time. (J) J.J. Johnson (tb), Bobby Jaspar (ts, fl -1), Tommy Flanagan (p), Wilbur Little (b), Elvin Jones (d). May 14, 1957 co57944-1 Come Rain Or Come Shine unissued co57945-6 Tea Pot CL1084 co57946-2 So Sorry Please (no horns) - co57947-3 Old Devil Moon - (K) Nat Adderley (cor), J.J. Johnson (tb), Tommy Flanagan (p), Wilbur Little (b), Albert Tootie Heath (d). February 19, 1958 tk.2 Now's The Time CS8009 tk.2 What Is This Thing Called Love - tk.1 Misterioso - tk.3 Tune Up - tk.1 My Old Flame (omit tp) - tk.3 Walkin' - tk,1/2 Laura - note: CS8009 entitled In Person has dubbed-in applause and fake stage announcements. This is actually a studio recording as presented here. (L) Nat Adderley (cor), J.J. Johnson (tb), Tommy Flanagan (p), Wilbur Little (b), Albert Tootie Heath (d). May 26, 1958 co61161-5 Darling Je Vous Aime Beaucoup unissued co61162-2 Almost Like Being In Love - co61163-3 Love Letters - co61164-2 Decision - (M) Nat Adderley (cor), J.J. Johnson (tb), Tommy Flanagan (p), Wilbur Little (b), Albert Tootie Heath (d). August 29, 1958 co61444-2 Star Dust unissued co61445-2 Sidewinder - co61446-1 Bags' Groove FC38509 co61447-2 Pennies From Heaven unissued co61448-3 Alone Together - (N) Nat Adderley (cor), J.J. Johnson (tb), Bobby Jaspar (ts, fl-1), Cedar Walton (p), Spanky DeBrest (b), Albert Tootie Heath (d). March 18, 1959 co62425-6 Really Livin' CS8178 co62426-3 Alone Together -1 unissued co62527-5 Speak Low CS8178 (O) Nat Adderley (cor), J.J. Johnson (tb), Bobby Jaspar (ts, fl-1), Cedar Walton (p), Spanky DeBrest (b), Albert Tootie Heath (d). March 19, 1959 co62433-3 Decision -1 CS8178 co62434 Sidewinder rejected co62435-5 God Bless The Child -1 CS8178 co62436-5 Red Cross - (P) Nat Adderley (cor), J.J. Johnson (tb), Bobby Jaspar (ts, fl-1), Cedar Walton (p), Spanky DeBrest (b), Albert Tootie Heath (d). March 24, 1959 co62437-7 The Nearness Of You -1 unissued co62438-6 Almost Like Being In Love CS8178 co62439-3 Star Dust(omit Jaspar or Adderley) - co62434-11 Sidewinder - co63042-5 I Got It Bad And That Ain't Good (omit Jaspar) - (Q) Freddie Hubbard (tp), J.J. Johnson (tb), Clifford Jordan (ts), Cedar Walton (p), Arthur Harper (b), Albert Tootie Heath (d). August 1, 1960 co65102-L4 Mohawk (long version) CS8406 co65103-3 Shutterbug - co65104-L2 Aquarius (long version) unissued co65105-2 Blue 'N Boogie unissued ® Freddie Hubbard (tp), J.J. Johnson (tb), Clifford Jordan (ts), Cedar Walton (p), Arthur Harper (b), Albert Tootie Heath (d). August 3, 1960 co65116-L4 Fatback (long version) CS8770 * co65116-S2 Fatback (short version) CS8406 * co65117-3 In Walked Horace CS8406 co65118-3 Minor Mist - co65119-1 Turnpike unissued co65104-S6 Aquarius (short version) CS8406 co65102-S2 Mohawk (short version)) unissued * The piano intro was edited out of the issued Fatback(short version) on CS8406. Almost four minutes was edited out of Fatback (long version) on CS8770. Both versions are presented here in full. (S) J.J. Johnson (tb), Victor Feldman (p, celeste -1, organ -2), Sam Jones (b), Louis Hayes (d). December 15, 1960 co65714-2 Satin Doll CS8537 co65715-3 Flat Rock - co65716-8 Gigi -1 - co65717-2 Bloozineff - co65717-3 Bloozineff (organ version) -2 CS8565 (T) J.J. Johnson (tb), Victor Feldman (p, vibes -3), Sam Jones (b), Louis Hayes (d). December 21, 1960 co65867-8 How Long Has This Been Going On -3 unissued co65745-5 Goodbye -3 CS8537 co65746-2 When The Saints Go Marching In - co65747-4 I Waited For You unissued (U) J.J. Johnson (tb), Victor Feldman (p), Sam Jones (b), Louis Hayes (d). January 12, 1961 co65798-2 Jackie-ing CS8537 co65799-3 Sophisticated Lady - co65345-12 Full Moon And Empty Arms - ALBUM INDEX by J. J. Johnson CL 935 J Is For Jazz CL 973 Jay And Kai CL 1030 First Place CL 1084 Dial JJ5 CL 1161/CS 8009 JJ In Person CL 1303/CS 8109 Blues Trombone CL 1383/CS 8178 Really Livin' CL 1606/CS 8406 JJ Inc CL 1737/CS 8537 A Touch Of Satin Anthologies CL 1020 Jazz Omnibus CL 1765/CS 8565 Who's Who In The Swinging Sixties CL 1970/CS 8770 The Giants Of Jazz FC 38509 Almost Forgotten Original sessions produced by George Avakian (D, E, I, K), Bob Morgan (N, O), Irving Townsend (P), Tom Shepard (S), Teo Macero (Q, R, T, U) and Cal Lampley (all others) Produced for release by Michael Cuscuna Executive producer: Charlie Lourie Recording engineer: Fred Plaut (A-C, L, M, Q-U) and Frank Laico (all others) Recorded in New York City at Columbia Studio A (F, G) and 30th Street (all others) Sessions A-G are in mono, all others are stereo Transfer and remix engineer: Debra Parkinson LP & CD mastering: The Master Cutting Room Design direction: Richard Mantel Design production: InkWell, Inc. ©1996 Sony Entertainment, Inc./(p)1996 Sony Music Entertainment, Inc./Sony Music Special Products. Manufactured by Columbia Records, 550 Madison Avenue, New York, NY 10022-3211/"Columbia" and "Sony" Reg. U.S. Patent & TM office/Marca Registrada/WARNING All rights reserved. Unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicable laws. ©1996 Mosaic Records, Inc. All rights reserved. 7 CDs - $112.00 Quote
BFrank Posted May 3, 2006 Report Posted May 3, 2006 there are about 20 JJJ mosaic sets left ... and you're buying them ALL. Right, $$1? I managed to snatch one before $$1 came in to scoop up what's left and manipulate the secondary market. Good move, Conn......you can't trust that $$1! That's for SURE. Quote
wesbed Posted May 3, 2006 Author Report Posted May 3, 2006 There are still some JJs remaining? Damn. Quote
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