rockefeller center Posted April 20, 2004 Report Posted April 20, 2004 (edited) If you can help, please send private message. Edited May 26, 2004 by rockefeller center Quote
robviti Posted June 5, 2004 Report Posted June 5, 2004 have you folks ever contemplated contacting the artist himself? i purchased some japanese imports directly from harry allen for a fraction of what they cost online. belgrave is a visiting professor of jazz trumpet at the oberlin conservatory of music in ohio. here's his address and office phone number: Marcus Batista Belgrave Visiting Prof of Jazz Trumpet Conservatory Wind/Brass/Perc Robertson Hall Oberlin, OH 44074 Office Phone: 440 775-6675 and here's a link to his faculty webpage: marcus belgrave. what the heck, give it a try. what can it hurt? Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 Hot damn!!! -- Dusty Groove says this is gonna be reissued on CD (and also on LP) later this month!!! Don't know for sure what label is doing the reissue, though (and they don't seem to know either). Nothing listed at Jazzmatazz yet, but I e-mailed Alan about it. 1. Marcus Belgrave -- Gemini II . . . CD . . . Upcoming Release: Around July 26, 2004 A classic of the spiritual soulful Detroit/Tribe jazz scene! Trumpeter Marcus Belgrave plays in a beautiful ensemble, packed with Tribe labelmates like Wendell Harrison, Phil Ranelin, and Harold McKinney. The record includes Belgrave's beautiful track "Space Odyssey", which has a long flowing cosmic groove, nice electronics, and haunting trumpet solos. Other cuts include "Gemini II", "Marcia's Opal", "Glue Fingers", and "Odoms Cave". FYI, Dusty Groove has it listed as being just "Gemini". (I added the "II" to the above listing, assuming that is the correct full title.) Quote
rockefeller center Posted July 21, 2004 Author Report Posted July 21, 2004 Wow, I haven't checked this thread since May... Hell! That's fantastic news, Rooster! Thanks for the contact info, jazzshrink. Quote
Late Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 Soul Jazz doesn't appear to be reissuing this one, which is a good thing. I wonder if Hefty Records, who (legally) reissued Phil Ranelin's and Wendell Harrison's 70's stuff is doing this one. That would make the most sense to me. I can't get Hefty's site to load right now, though. Hefty Quote
brownie Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 What Soul Jazz Records is releasing July 27 is Marcus Belgrave's GEMINI (LP/CD 24). They also releasing Steve Reid's RHYTHMATISM (LP/CD 23) the same day. Could not get to their website: www.souljazzrecords.co.uk. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted July 22, 2004 Report Posted July 22, 2004 Wait, Late. I think these are one in the same. From http://www.souljazzrecords.co.uk/news.htm... Two heavyweight deep jazz re-issue albums are also being re-issued by Soul Jazz Records on July 27. They are Marcus Belgrave ÂGemini, and Steve Reid  Rhythmatism. Marcus Belgrave's album, originally released on one of our favourite 70s deep jazz labels, Tribe Records, and features the track "Space Oddysey" which has just been covered by Carl Craig's "Detroit Experiment", on which Marcus Belgrave also featured. The track also features on Soul Jazz Records early Universal Sounds Of America release. Steve Reid¹s "Rhythmatism" originally came out on his own Mustevic Sound label in the early 70s. It is the second album Soul Jazz have put out by him (the first being Nova) and is again a seriously heavyweight slice of original deep jazz. So, all these references to "Gemini" - are one in the same with "Gemini II"???? Yes??? No??? I don't think I'm confused, but should I be??? Quote
blue lake Posted July 22, 2004 Report Posted July 22, 2004 Marcus Belgrave, Gemini TRCD 4004 1974 Ed Marsyl Publishing Co. 5270 Drexel, Detroit, MI 48213 Described in the liner notes by Herb Boyd, "Much in the manner of the major record companies that from time to time feel a need to reissue one of their classics, Marcus Belgrave has reissued here his initial album, "Gemini II," which was released in 1974 under the Tribe label. Marcus Belgrave, trumpet, flugelhorn, misc. perc. Wendell Harrison, tenor saxophone, misc. perc. Phillip Ranelin, trombone, misc. perc. Roy Brooks, drums, misc. perc. Billy Tuner, drums, misc. perc. Lorenzo Brown, bongos Ed Pickens, electric bass Harold McKinney, electric piano Daryl Dybka, mini-moog sythesizer Side One 1. Space Odyssey 2. Glue Fingers (part 1) 3. Glue Fingers (part 2) Side Two 1. Gemini II 2. Marcia's Opal 3. Odoms Cave Boyd mentions Belgrave is "in the studio mixing the elements of his next album...with compositions and playing by Sumi Tonooka and Geri Allen..." I do have a copy of this in the library here at the radio station. Sorry, I just saw the thread for the first time tonight.... Lazaro Quote
blue lake Posted July 22, 2004 Report Posted July 22, 2004 (edited) p.s. "Space Odyssey" sounds like Freddie's "Red Clay" with Roy Brooks musical saw added, and a center section featuring McKinney's electric piano that's coming out of Chick Corea's Return to Forever from the period. Marcus sounds good in that section when the engineer isn't tweaking the echo. Parts sound, too, like the tape was stretched. I mean, I don't think the whole band could suddenly be that out of tune. It only lasts for a short time, but is very weird. That's just that cut, anyway... Edited July 22, 2004 by blue lake Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted July 22, 2004 Report Posted July 22, 2004 Marcus Belgrave, Gemini TRCD 4004 1974 Ed Marsyl Publishing Co. 5270 Drexel, Detroit, MI 48213 Described in the liner notes by Herb Boyd, "Much in the manner of the major record companies that from time to time feel a need to reissue one of their classics, Marcus Belgrave has reissued here his initial album, "Gemini II," which was released in 1974 under the Tribe label. Marcus Belgrave, trumpet, flugelhorn, misc. perc. Wendell Harrison, tenor saxophone, misc. perc. Phillip Ranelin, trombone, misc. perc. Roy Brooks, drums, misc. perc. Billy Tuner, drums, misc. perc. Lorenzo Brown, bongos Ed Pickens, electric bass Harold McKinney, electric piano Daryl Dybka, mini-moog sythesizer Side One 1. Space Odyssey 2. Glue Fingers (part 1) 3. Glue Fingers (part 2) Side Two 1. Gemini II 2. Marcia's Opal 3. Odoms Cave Boyd mentions Belgrave is "in the studio mixing the elements of his next album...with compositions and playing by Sumi Tonooka and Geri Allen..." I do have a copy of this in the library here at the radio station. Sorry, I just saw the thread for the first time tonight.... Lazaro So, then does that mean the original album was called "Gemini II", but the resissue is only called "Gemini"??? --- and they're really the same recording??? Lazaro, I assume the copy your quoting from is a promo of one of the new CD's of this release??? (Since you list the catalog number as being "TRCD 4004", the "CD" part makes me think it's a CD (funny how I'd get that idea).) Also from the way it refers to the rerelease of something.) In any case, it still sounds like the rerelease (the CD release) is called "Gemini", but the original album was called "Gemini II" ---- and that the two are in fact the same 1974 recording. Or am I missing something here???? Quote
Lazaro Vega Posted July 22, 2004 Report Posted July 22, 2004 Sorry I wasn't more clear: the material I was copying was from a 1974 lp re-issue of Gemini II called Gemini, spelled on the cover "Gem-in-eye" but on the spine Gemini. It is the same music. Quote
rockefeller center Posted July 22, 2004 Author Report Posted July 22, 2004 (edited) p.s. "Space Odyssey" sounds like Freddie's "Red Clay" with Roy Brooks musical saw added, and a center section featuring McKinney's electric piano that's coming out of Chick Corea's Return to Forever from the period. Marcus sounds good in that section when the engineer isn't tweaking the echo. Parts sound, too, like the tape was stretched. I mean, I don't think the whole band could suddenly be that out of tune. It only lasts for a short time, but is very weird. That's just that cut, anyway... I have this tune on this "Universal Sounds Of America" compilation and never thought there's anything wrong with it; got to listen to it more focused next time. Edited July 22, 2004 by rockefeller center Quote
blue lake Posted July 23, 2004 Report Posted July 23, 2004 I think it occurs about 3/4 of the way through -- maybe during the sax solo, or maybe it was just me and the way I was hearing it last night on the radio. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted August 26, 2004 Report Posted August 26, 2004 Got the new CD reissue of "Gemini" today (from 'The Bastards'), and man -- is this ever one hell of an album!!! (And every bit as exciting as Phil Ranelin's "The Time Is Now!" from about the same year.) A little pricy at Dusty ($18.99), but probably worth every penny (or at least nearly so). And FYI, you can sample the first minute of two tracks (particularly track #4 - "Gemini II"), if you go HERE. Next time you order anything from Dusty, get this one too!!! Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 By the way, I might mention that this new CD issue is a transfer from vinyl. (Sounds perfectly decent to my ears.) Quote
rockefeller center Posted September 13, 2004 Author Report Posted September 13, 2004 Has anyone come past that first sentence in the liner notes? "According to most references regarding the science of Astrology, ..." Quote
couw Posted September 13, 2004 Report Posted September 13, 2004 Has anyone come past that first sentence in the liner notes? "According to most references regarding the science of Astrology, ..." try us and post them Quote
couw Posted September 13, 2004 Report Posted September 13, 2004 pretty many fegh stuff there I'll admit, it gets better halfway through, then loses momentum again to end in more apocalyptic assurances that we all should listen to the man to save our souls. I could go on, but my writing skills are not so marvellous, understandable, my not being a Gemini... Quote
rockefeller center Posted September 13, 2004 Author Report Posted September 13, 2004 I could go on, but my writing skills are not so marvellous, understandable, my not being a Gemini... Hm, you must be a Sagittarius then. Quote
couw Posted September 13, 2004 Report Posted September 13, 2004 yeah, them boring cold dudes. shooting arrows sans direction and thinking in too many directions at once to make a neat argument. I think. I'd like a Sagitarius Space Mission, just to find out about all the black matter going wild and the red spot reversing rotation every now and then. Quote
Late Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 Any more words on this? Haven't picked it up yet, though will eventually. On a related note, does anyone have Steve Reid's albums? I've often wondered about them. Line-ups look good ... Quote
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