mikeweil Posted August 24, 2007 Report Posted August 24, 2007 Get those OJC CDs while you can. Fresh Sound did a reissue of the complete tentet stuff, and there are plenty other CDs with the pool of musicians involved. Quote
montg Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 A new interiew with Teddy Charles posted today at the jazzwax.com blog jazzwax.com Quote
Larry Kart Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 (edited) In that interview, Charles's chronology is way off at one point. Benny Goodman's infamous (among bandmembers) tour of Russia took place in 1961, not just before Charles joined Chubby Jackson back in 1949. Edited November 1, 2007 by Larry Kart Quote
Tom 1960 Posted October 13, 2008 Report Posted October 13, 2008 There was an Atlantic Jazz reissue of the Tente LP which includes three bonus tracks, # 90983-2. I find Charles to be one of the most original of all jazz vibists, and can recommend any of his albums. The Original Jazz Classics CDs partly overlap, but swing like mad - his take on Third Stream Jazz had a lot more zest! That session with Shorty Rogers and Shelly Manne is a killer! This here, BTW, was the cover of his other Atlantic LP: up....I've been listening to the Shelly Manne/Shorty Rogers session. WOW Fantastic music. It's hard to avoid comparing this, at least superficially, with some Hutcherson recordings made 10-15 years later. The Charles music sounds amazingly contemporary, elements of modal jazz, atonality. And Manne manages to swing like mad. Glad to come across this thread once again. I was over at David's "Ghost Of Miles" website yesterday(Night Lights) and listened to the excellent program he does on Charles. If you haven't already done so, please give a listen. David played a few tracks I believe from the above mentioned recording and I now have it on order. I'm really looking forward to hearing this one. Quote
montg Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Teddy Charles has a new recording scheduled for release in February. On Smalls Records. Talk about longevity! Dances With Bulls Quote
JohnS Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 I see that six tracks from Jazz Goes Russia have now appeared on a Jazzbeat cd coupled with the Atlantic sides. Quote
lkaven Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 Teddy Charles has a new recording scheduled for release in February. On Smalls Records. Talk about longevity! Dances With Bulls This is true. There should be early copies available first at CD Baby about two weeks in front of the late-Feb release date. Teddy is playing in top form. I don't know why he hasn't made more records in the last 40 years. He certainly is up to it musically. I think you all will be pleased with this one. Luke Quote
relyles Posted February 26, 2009 Report Posted February 26, 2009 I picked up the new Teddy Charles release the other day at my favorite local independent retailer. I purchased it as much for the presence of Chris Byars as for my intigue regarding Charles. With the exception of one Mingus tune, all of the songs were written by Charles and all the tracks were arranged by Byars. Overall a worthwhile recording. On my first listen there were not many surprises, but the quality of the individual performances is high and the compositions/arrangements kept me interested. I am looking forward to listening to this one more. Quote
Fer Urbina Posted May 30, 2017 Report Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but there is an official CD reissue of Three for Duke. By Japanese WMG. First one ever, as far as I know. http://wmg.jp/sp/artist/teddycharlestrio/WPCR000029085.html F Edited May 30, 2017 by Fer Urbina Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted September 14, 2022 Report Posted September 14, 2022 Teddy Charles came up in the Booker Little recommendations thread.  We discussed how most of the Booker Littler/Booker Ervin Sounds of Inner City came from a Teddy Charles album called Metronome Presents Jazz in the Garden.  So I'm listening to random Teddy Charles things on the InterTubes - I am unfamiliar with him, aforementioned album aside - and much of what I'm hearing falls into my beloved Twilight Zone Jazz sub-genre, about which I've written prolifically around these parts. So my two questions are: 1. Was Teddy Charles doing the arrangements on these albums? 2. What are some of his most Twilight Zone Jazz-sounding albums?  The Tentet album sounds promising, based on digital needle-drops. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted September 14, 2022 Report Posted September 14, 2022 28 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said: The Tentet album sounds promising, based on digital needle-drops. First and foremost, by all means (and with all due haste) get the Tentet album -- and if you do CD's, get the CD reissue with the 3 bonus tracks from his Word from Bird album. Those specific 3 tracks from Word from Bird are substantially more similar to the entire Tentet album, than the other half of Word from Bird. Some of the most unique and amazing music of its kind I can think of. I don't know enough of the rest of Charles' other output to really comment, other than (from what I gather) it's not as compositionally-complex (or the arrangements aren't as elaborate) as that Tentet +3 material is. (But I'd LOVE to be proven otherwise, if there's other stuff by Teddy that I'm overlooking, because I just don't know it.) Quote
mikeweil Posted September 14, 2022 Report Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) I find all of his leader dates interesting, but they are all very different. There is a comprehensive discography at https://attictoys.com/teddy-charles-discography/ ...... he was very versatile, as you can see there. The trio with Hal Overton on Three For Duke is great and the recent Japanese reissue sounds excellent. 1 hour ago, Teasing the Korean said: 1. Was Teddy Charles doing the arrangements on these albums? About half of the tracks. Gil Evans, Jimmy Giuffre, George Russell etc. did the others. Edited September 14, 2022 by mikeweil Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted September 14, 2022 Report Posted September 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said: First and foremost, by all means (and with all due haste) get the Tentet album -- and if you do CD's, get the CD reissue with the 3 bonus tracks from his Word from Bird album. Those specific 3 tracks from Word from Bird are substantially more similar to the entire Tentet album, than the other half of Word from Bird. Some of the most unique and amazing music of its kind I can think of. I don't know enough of the rest of Charles' other output to really comment, other than (from what I gather) it's not as compositionally-complex (or the arrangements aren't as elaborate) as that Tentet +3 material is. (But I'd LOVE to be proven otherwise, if there's other stuff by Teddy that I'm overlooking, because I just don't know it.) Thank you!  I just ordered an inexpensive copy of Tentet, sadly without the bonus tracks.  I will keep my eyes and ears open for those! 2 hours ago, mikeweil said: I find all of his leader dates interesting, but they are all very different. There is a comprehensive discography at https://attictoys.com/teddy-charles-discography/ ...... he was very versatile, as you can see there. The trio with Hal Overton on Three For Duke is great and the recent Japanese reissue sounds excellent. About half of the tracks. Gil Evans, Jimmy Giuffre, George Russell etc. did the others. Thanks for this! Quote
felser Posted September 15, 2022 Report Posted September 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Teasing the Korean said:  I just ordered an inexpensive copy of Tentet, sadly without the bonus tracks.  I will keep my eyes and ears open for those!  You can get the whole 'Word From Bird' CD for under $10 - just go that route. Well worth it. Quote
Joe Posted September 15, 2022 Report Posted September 15, 2022 COLLABORATION WEST is pretty fabulous. Early experiments in modality and serial techniques with assistance from Shelly Manne, Jimmy Giuffre, Shorty Rogers, Jimmy Raney... sadly not all tracks from these two sessions appear on the OJC CD. You'll also have to get EVOLUTION, which features some good-if-not-great work by an ensemble featuring J.R. Monterose and Charles Mingus. Â Quote
mikeweil Posted September 15, 2022 Report Posted September 15, 2022 I made my own CDR with all three Teddy Charles Mingus collaborations. Some of the best of its time. Quote
felser Posted September 16, 2022 Report Posted September 16, 2022  Charles did some amazing work in the 50's. Good player. Great writer and arranger. Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted September 16, 2022 Report Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) On 9/15/2022 at 8:40 PM, Joe said: COLLABORATION WEST is pretty fabulous. Early experiments in modality and serial techniques with assistance from Shelly Manne, Jimmy Giuffre, Shorty Rogers, Jimmy Raney... sadly not all tracks from these two sessions appear on the OJC CD. You'll also have to get EVOLUTION, which features some good-if-not-great work by an ensemble featuring J.R. Monterose and Charles Mingus. Â Thank you! Â So do Collaboration West and Evolution capture most of the better Mingus collaborations? Â Edited September 16, 2022 by Teasing the Korean Quote
mikeweil Posted September 16, 2022 Report Posted September 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Teasing the Korean said: Thank you!  So do Collaboration West and Evolution capture most of the better Mingus collaborations?  From Noal Cohen's Discography, these are the three studio sessions with Mingus:  Date: January 6, 1955 Location: Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Hackensack, NJ Label: Prestige Teddy Charles New Directions Quartet Teddy Charles (ldr), J.R. Monterose (ts), Teddy Charles (vib), Charles Mingus (b), Jerry Segal (d) a. 680 Violetta(John Nielson) - 3:37 Metronome (Swd.) EPMEP 323 — Evolution   (1958) b. 681 Relaxo Abstracto(Teddy Charles) - 5:23 c. 682 Speak Low(Kurt Weill, Ogden Nash) - 3:16 Metronome (Swd.) EPMEP 323 — Evolution   (1958) d. 683 Jay Walkin'(J.R. Monterose) - 3:36 Metronome (Swd.) EPMEP 323 — Evolution   (1958) e. 684 The Night We Called It a Day(Matt Dennis, Tom Adair) - 2:41 Metronome (Swd.) EPMEP 323 — Evolution   (1958) f. 685 I Can't Get Started(Vernon Duke, Ira Gershwin) - 7:10 All titles on: New Jazz LP 10"NJLP 1106 — Teddy Charles New Directions Quartet   (1955) Prestige LP 10"PRLP 206 — Teddy Charles New Directions Quartet   (1955) Prestige LP 12"PRLP 7078 — Evolution   (1957) Prestige/Victor (Jpn.) LP 12"SMJ 6617 — Evolution   (1979) Prestige LP 12"OJC-1731 — Evolution   (1989) Prestige CDOJCCD-1731-2 — Evolution   (1992) Prestige/Universal (Jpn.) CDUCCO 5278 — Evolution   (2014) Avid (Eng.) CDAMSC 1174 — Teddy Charles: Four Classic Albums   (2015) Real Gone Jazz CDRGJCD 532 — Teddy Charles: Seven Classic Albums   (2016) Date: July 8, 1955 Location: Audio-Video Recording Co., 730 Fifth Ave., New York City Label: Debut Miles Davis Quintet: Blue Moods Miles Davis (ldr), Miles Davis (t), Britt Woodman (tb), Teddy Charles (vib), Charles Mingus (b), Elvin Jones (d) a.  Nature Boy(Eden Ahbez) / arr: Teddy Charles - 6:12 Vogue (Eng.) EPEPV 1191 — Miles Davis Presented By Charles Mingus   (1957) Debut (Dan.) EPDEP-27 — Blue Moods, Vol. 1   Debut CD4DCD-4420-2 — The Debut Records Story   (1997) Sony Classical CDSK 51337 — The Talented Mr. Ripley: Music from the Motion Picture   (1999) Original Jazz Classics CDOJCCD-3702-2 — Original Jazz Classics Sampler: Debut/Period   (2002) Le Chant du Monde (Fr.) CD5741421/30 — Les Trésors du Jazz 1955   (2006) Prestige CDPRCD-6019-2 — Miles Davis Plays for Lovers   (2006) Definitive (Sp.) CDDRCD 11376 — Jazz For Readers, Vol. 1   (2007) Prestige CDPRCD-30802 — Muted Miles   (2008) Disconforme/Greatest Hits (Sp.) CDCDX 7723 — Miles Davis: Greatest Ballads   (2010) Giant Steps (Eng.) CDGSCR 037 — Miles In the Movies   (2010) Jazz Images (Eu.) CD38023 — Miles Davis: Ballads   (2016) b.  Alone Together(Arthur Schwartz, Howard Dietz) / arr: Charles Mingus - 7:13 Vogue (Eng.) EPEPV 1191 — Miles Davis Presented By Charles Mingus   (1957) Debut (Dan.) EPDEP-27 — Blue Moods, Vol. 1   Boplicity (Eng.) LP 12"BOP M9 — Bop City: Midnight   (1985) Debut CD4DCD-4420-2 — The Debut Records Story   (1997) c.  There's No You(Hal Hopper, Tom Adair) / arr: Teddy Charles - 8:01 Debut (Dan.) EPDEP-28 — Blue Moods, Vol. 2   Le Chant du Monde (Fr.) CD5741421/30 — Les Trésors du Jazz 1955   (2006) d.  Easy Living(Ralph Rainger, Leo Robin) / arr: Teddy Charles - 5:02 Debut (Dan.) EPDEP-28 — Blue Moods, Vol. 2   Musica Jazz (It.) LP 12"2 MJP-1041 — Miles Davis   Debut CD4DCD-4420-2 — The Debut Records Story   (1997) Prestige CDPRCD-6019-2 — Miles Davis Plays for Lovers   (2006) Disconforme/Greatest Hits (Sp.) CDCDX 7723 — Miles Davis: Greatest Ballads   (2010) Jazz Images (Eu.) CD38023 — Miles Davis: Ballads   (2016) All titles on: Vogue (Eng.) LP 10"LDE 191 — Miles Davis   (1955) Debut LP 12"DEB 120 — Blue Moods   (1955) Fantasy LP 12"6001/86001 — Blue Moods   (1961) Vocalion (Eng.) LP 12"LAEF 584 — Blue Moods   (1962) America (Fr.) LP 12"30AM6051 — Blue Moods   (1965) Toshiba (Jpn.) LP 12"8814 — Blue Moods   (1971) Prestige LP 12"PR 24022 — Miles Davis - Collector's Items   (1973) Prestige/Victor (Jpn.) LP 12"VIJ 5009 — Blue Moods   (1976) Debut LP 12"OJC-043 — Blue Moods   (1983) Carrere (Fr.) LP 12"68.314 — Miles Davis - Collector's Items   Fantasy (Jpn.) LP 12"LFR 8857 — Blue Moods   Swing (Fr.) LP 12"LDM 30.035 — Blue Moods   Debut CDOJCCD-043-2 — Blue Moods   (1990) Debut CD12DCD-4402-2 — Charles Mingus - The Complete Debut Recordings   (1990) Prestige/Victor (Jpn.) CDVICJ 23054 — Blue Moods   (1992) Prestige/Victor (Jpn.) CDVICJ 2044 — Blue Moods   (1996) Prestige/Victor (Jpn.) CDVICJ 41251 — Blue Moods   (2005) Prestige CDPRCD-24022 — Miles Davis - Collector's Items   (2007) Jazz Track (Sp.) CDJT 934 — Miles Ahead/Blue Moods   (2008) Prestige/Universal (Jpn.) CDUCCO 9303 — Blue Moods   (2008) Essential Jazz Classics (Sp.) CDEJC 55440 — Miles Davis & Milt Jackson: Complete Recordings   (2009) Real Gone Jazz CDRGJCD 246 — Miles Davis: Twenty Classic Albums   (2011) This session has been incorrectly listed in most sources, including the CD reissues, as having been recorded on July 9, 1955 at Rudy Van Gelder's studio. The version of track a on Sony SK 51337 is edited. Date: November 12, 1956 Location: New York City Label: Atlantic Teddy Charles Quartet: Word From Bird Teddy Charles (ldr), Teddy Charles (vib), Hall Overton (p), Charles Mingus (b), Ed Shaughnessy (d) a. 2188 Laura(David Raksin, Johnny Mercer) - 5:00 Atlantic LP 12"1274 — Word From Bird   (1956) Atlantic (Jpn.) LP 12"AMJY 1274 — Word From Bird   (1992) Atlantic (Jpn.) LP 12"P 7537 — Word From Bird   Rhino CDR2 72871 — Passions of a Man: Complete Mingus Atlantic Recordings 1956-61   (1997) Koch CDKOC-CD-8542 — Word From Bird   (2000) Collectables CDCOL-CD-6747 — Word From Bird   (2006) House of Jazz (Du.) CD220120 — Kind Of Mingus   (2009) Warner Music/Atlantic (Jpn.) CDWPCR 27238 — Word From Bird   (2013) Real Gone Jazz CDRGJCD 532 — Teddy Charles: Seven Classic Albums   (2016) b. 2189 Unknown Title unissued c. 2201 When Your Lover Has Gone(Einar A. Swan) - 2:27 Atlantic LP 12"1274 — Word From Bird   (1956) Atlantic (Jpn.) LP 12"AMJY 1274 — Word From Bird   (1992) Atlantic (Jpn.) LP 12"P 7537 — Word From Bird   Rhino CDR2 72871 — Passions of a Man: Complete Mingus Atlantic Recordings 1956-61   (1997) Koch CDKOC-CD-8542 — Word From Bird   (2000) Collectables CDCOL-CD-6747 — Word From Bird   (2006) House of Jazz (Du.) CD220120 — Kind Of Mingus   (2009) Warner Music/Atlantic (Jpn.) CDWPCR 27238 — Word From Bird   (2013) Real Gone Jazz CDRGJCD 532 — Teddy Charles: Seven Classic Albums   (2016) d. 2202inc Just One of Those Things(Cole Porter) - 5:59 Atlantic LP 12"1274 — Word From Bird   (1956) Atlantic (Jpn.) LP 12"AMJY 1274 — Word From Bird   (1992) Atlantic (Jpn.) LP 12"P 7537 — Word From Bird   Rhino CDR2 72871 — Passions of a Man: Complete Mingus Atlantic Recordings 1956-61   (1997) Koch CDKOC-CD-8542 — Word From Bird   (2000) Collectables CDCOL-CD-6747 — Word From Bird   (2006) House of Jazz (Du.) CD220120 — Kind Of Mingus   (2009) Warner Music/Atlantic (Jpn.) CDWPCR 27238 — Word From Bird   (2013) Real Gone Jazz CDRGJCD 532 — Teddy Charles: Seven Classic Albums   (2016) e. 2203 Blue Greens(Teddy Charles) - 11:39 Atlantic LP 12"1274 — Word From Bird   (1956) Atlantic (Jpn.) LP 12"AMJY 1274 — Word From Bird   (1992) Atlantic (Jpn.) LP 12"P 7537 — Word From Bird   Atlantic CD7 90983-2 — The Teddy Charles Tentet   (1988) Rhino CDR2 72871 — Passions of a Man: Complete Mingus Atlantic Recordings 1956-61   (1997) Koch CDKOC-CD-8542 — Word From Bird   (2000) Collectables CDCOL-CD-6747 — Word From Bird   (2006) House of Jazz (Du.) CD220120 — Kind Of Mingus   (2009) Warner Music/Atlantic (Jpn.) CDWPCR 27238 — Word From Bird   (2013) Real Gone Jazz CDRGJCD 532 — Teddy Charles: Seven Classic Albums   (2016) Apparently, all titles were recorded on this date even though the matrix numbers are not in sequence and suggest two different sessions. Track d fades out during the bass solo. The complete contents of Word From Bird and the Tentet LP do not fit on one CD. OJC reissues were not all compiled thoughtfully, there is one with all of the early trio sessions, https://www.discogs.com/release/7660812-Teddy-Charles-New-Directions .... and two others others which both have tracks from the August 31, 1953 session. https://www.discogs.com/release/1073313-Charles-Rogers-Giuffre-Evolution https://www.discogs.com/release/3497229-Teddy-Charles-Shorty-Rogers-Collaboration-West Quote
Joe Posted September 16, 2022 Report Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) Crying out for a proper box set, I'd say! Edited September 17, 2022 by Joe Quote
Joe Posted September 17, 2022 Report Posted September 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Chuck Nessa said: Not to be forgotten Great version of "Friday the 13th" on this one. Quote
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