Late Posted February 17, 2005 Author Report Posted February 17, 2005 There's a reason they're called "Moe & The Poets": Charlie's tone is impeccable -- somewhere between Lee Konitz and Charlie Parker, but with that back bay Boston blend of soul and modernism, making the city one of the best scenes for alto players in the 50s. That back bay Boston blend was therapeutic for Charlie Marijuana, but not as much for tenor players ... Quote
etherbored Posted February 17, 2005 Report Posted February 17, 2005 FREE - please share some detail on that bennett date... is fontana fitting in as cleanly as mariano does? , -e- Quote
chris olivarez Posted February 18, 2005 Report Posted February 18, 2005 I loved Mariano in Eberhard Weber's 'Colours' group of the late 70s. A group that explored one of the other directions that 'In a Silent Way' could lead! I saw that group with Mariano,Weber,Rainier Bruninghaus and John Marshall.It was a very enjoyable evening. Quote
chris olivarez Posted February 18, 2005 Report Posted February 18, 2005 Does anybody remember an album of his titled-I believe-"Helen Twelve Trees". A friend of mine had it but unfortunately I never had a chance to check it out. Quote
Free For All Posted February 18, 2005 Report Posted February 18, 2005 FREE - please share some detail on that bennett date... is fontana fitting in as cleanly as mariano does? , -e- As you wish, -e-: The CD is a combination of two 1955 sessions: Max Bennett plays bass on all. Carl Fontana, trombone Nick Travis, trumpet Charlie Mariano, alto Jack Nimitz, bari Dave McKenna, piano Mel Lewis, drums Johnny Jaguar My Heart Belongs to Daddy* Something to Remember You By I Hadn't Anyone 'Til You* IRA of the I.R.A. Max is the Factor Strike Up the Band* 13 Toes Polkadots and Moonbeams* Nice Work If You Can Get It Taking A Chance on Love* Sweet Sue* Blues* S'posin'* *Fontana w/rhythm section ....and the other session: Frank Rosolino, trombone Charlie Mariano, alto Claude Williamson, piano Stan Levey, drums Helen Carr, vocals (+) Rubberneck Just Max They Say+ Jeepers Creepers T.K. I'll Never Smile Again Do You Know Why+ Sweet Georgia Brown Fontana is in great form. He doesn't sound much different in 1955 than he did later. I would recommend this CD without reservation if you are a Fontana or Rosolino fan. Both are well represented. And of course Charlie Mariano! Quote
etherbored Posted February 18, 2005 Report Posted February 18, 2005 i am indeed a rosolino fan... thanks for the data! -e- Quote
Guest akanalog Posted February 19, 2005 Report Posted February 19, 2005 Does anybody remember an album of his titled-I believe-"Helen Twelve Trees". A friend of mine had it but unfortunately I never had a chance to check it out. i have this album on vinyl. another album MPS should reissue instead of all these oscar petersons and hans kollers. it is pretty ok. not amazing or anything. this one has jack bruce on bass, if i remember right, and nippy noya on percussion. why didn't i like it. maybe it also has that zybgnew sieferet (sp?) on violin? i don't like violin. i think besides some hard fusion tracks (including a tune played much better on elvin jones "on the mountain" album-wait, is jan hammer on "helen twelvetrees" too?) there are some duets without drums. sorry i am housesitting and don't have the album in front of me-but i believe there were too many quiet duet type numbers on this album for my tastes. i have another record-called "october" or something-with mariano and trilok gurtu and bruninghaus and someone else from 1977 or so. it is ok. nothing amazing. always nice to hear 70s rainer bruninghaus though. Quote
Guest akanalog Posted February 19, 2005 Report Posted February 19, 2005 there's also the krautrock/fusion band embryo, with which mariano cut a few albums. too bad he and mal waldron were not there at the same time-but the mariano stuff i heard is pretty cool. i bet a lot of you would be surprised to hear mariano in this kind of context. waldron too, for that matter. Quote
Guest akanalog Posted February 19, 2005 Report Posted February 19, 2005 I loved Mariano in Eberhard Weber's 'Colours' group of the late 70s. A group that explored one of the other directions that 'In a Silent Way' could lead! i have to disagree. i don't really feel that the weber groups really have any relation to "in a silent way". or maybe i don't understand what you mean-i see an album like "yellow fields" as being more a representation of fusion from a classical european background rather than an american blues rock kind of background. i think miles davis and the colors band are perhaps two cultural tangents of what happens when jazz musicians plug in. Quote
chris olivarez Posted February 19, 2005 Report Posted February 19, 2005 Does anybody remember an album of his titled-I believe-"Helen Twelve Trees". A friend of mine had it but unfortunately I never had a chance to check it out. i have this album on vinyl. another album MPS should reissue instead of all these oscar petersons and hans kollers. it is pretty ok. not amazing or anything. this one has jack bruce on bass, if i remember right, and nippy noya on percussion. why didn't i like it. maybe it also has that zybgnew sieferet (sp?) on violin? i don't like violin. i think besides some hard fusion tracks (including a tune played much better on elvin jones "on the mountain" album-wait, is jan hammer on "helen twelvetrees" too?) there are some duets without drums. sorry i am housesitting and don't have the album in front of me-but i believe there were too many quiet duet type numbers on this album for my tastes. i have another record-called "october" or something-with mariano and trilok gurtu and bruninghaus and someone else from 1977 or so. it is ok. nothing amazing. always nice to hear 70s rainer bruninghaus though. Thanks for the info. Quote
unitstructures Posted April 22, 2023 Report Posted April 22, 2023 On 2/18/2005 at 8:26 PM, Guest akanalog said: there's also the krautrock/fusion band embryo, with which mariano cut a few albums. too bad he and mal waldron were not there at the same time-but the mariano stuff i heard is pretty cool. i bet a lot of you would be surprised to hear mariano in this kind of context. waldron too, for that matter. Ok so I know this is an old thread. But, they did play together at least for this one show. Titles of the last two tracks are reversed, Place to Go is really track 3, Waldron's The Call is track 4. https://embryoband.bandcamp.com/album/embryo-feat-mal-waldron-charlie-mariano-29061973-live-in-hamburg This show was previously released as a limited LP release, and then as a CD-R by Ultima Thule Records. Quote
Gheorghe Posted April 23, 2023 Report Posted April 23, 2023 I think I remember he was very much active over here in Europe during my youth, but it seemed to be another kind of music than what I was listening to. It seemed to be more "world music" than what I understood as being "jazz". It could have been in that ECM groove. Eberhard Weber ? I think he was scheduled once on a festival summit, but I couldn´t understand much of it, it seemed to be very quiet music, it is possible that the leader was Jan Garbarek. I remember in my youth a lot of folks maybe a bit older than me, were into Jan Garbarek and ECM...... Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted April 23, 2023 Report Posted April 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Gheorghe said: I think I remember he was very much active over here in Europe during my youth, but it seemed to be another kind of music than what I was listening to. It seemed to be more "world music" than what I understood as being "jazz". It could have been in that ECM groove. Eberhard Weber ? I think he was scheduled once on a festival summit, but I couldn´t understand much of it, it seemed to be very quiet music, it is possible that the leader was Jan Garbarek. I remember in my youth a lot of folks maybe a bit older than me, were into Jan Garbarek and ECM...... True - Mariano was very active here in Germany up to his death. The way he evolved over time, this was not my kind of jazz anymore either, yet I do regret I did not take the plunge and go to see him at one of his live appearances that did take place locally. I had repeatedly thought of attending one of these shows - including with the intention of having these 50s albums autographed by him - but somehow it never materialized, and then it was too late ... Same with Herb Geller ...  Quote
Peter Friedman Posted April 23, 2023 Report Posted April 23, 2023 12 hours ago, Gheorghe said: I think I remember he was very much active over here in Europe during my youth, but it seemed to be another kind of music than what I was listening to. It seemed to be more "world music" than what I understood as being "jazz". It could have been in that ECM groove. Eberhard Weber ? I think he was scheduled once on a festival summit, but I couldn´t understand much of it, it seemed to be very quiet music, it is possible that the leader was Jan Garbarek. I remember in my youth a lot of folks maybe a bit older than me, were into Jan Garbarek and ECM...... Charlie Mariano played at a concert I attended about 20 years ago. I was very disappointed in his playing as it was very much as Gheorghe described it. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted April 23, 2023 Report Posted April 23, 2023 I like his Japanese sides with Sadao quite a bit, and with Toshiko. Beyond that I haven't really gone too deep. The date with Hinze is excellent. Quote
Mark Stryker Posted April 23, 2023 Report Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) Haven't seen it mentioned, but the eponymous "Toshiko Mariano Quartet" on Candid contains fantastic Mariano playing. This version of "Deep River" is tremendously moving. I've also come to really appreciate the symbolism of a Japanese woman, two white Americans of Italian descent (Mariano, Gene Cherico), and a black American (Eddie Marshall) playing the hell out of a Negro spiritual -- that's America.    Edited April 24, 2023 by Mark Stryker Quote
JSngry Posted April 23, 2023 Report Posted April 23, 2023 For anybody who wants to hear the elder Mariano play standards again, here it is. It's superb. Oh, not that it matters, but the grumpy old fact-checker in me feels a compulsion to point out that although Toshiko was born to Japanese parentage, she herself was actually born in China. Quote
felser Posted April 23, 2023 Report Posted April 23, 2023 I like this one a lot, as well as the aforementioned Toshiko-Mariano Quartet album on Candid. Â Quote
Mark Stryker Posted April 24, 2023 Report Posted April 24, 2023 My three favorite Mariano recordings come from the same early to mid '60s period, all as a sideman -- the aforementioned "Black Saint and the Sinner Lady" and "Toshiko Mariano Quartet" -- and Elvin Jones' "Dear John C." I mean, good Lord. The pure sound and rhapsodic glory of this ballad is from another planet.  Quote
felser Posted April 24, 2023 Report Posted April 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Mark Stryker said: My three favorite Mariano recordings come from the same early to mid '60s period, all as a sideman -- the aforementioned "Black Saint and the Sinner Lady" and "Toshiko Mariano Quartet" -- and Elvin Jones' "Dear John C." I mean, good Lord. The pure sound and rhapsodic glory of this ballad is from another planet. "Black Saint and the Sinner Lady" is a desert island disc for me, may be my favorite jazz album period, and I agree it is Mariano's (as well as Mingus's, and one of Jazz's) most memorable work. Quote
soulpope Posted April 24, 2023 Report Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) Both Enja recordings "Deep In A Dream" and "Silver Blue" not to be missed .... Edited April 24, 2023 by soulpope Quote
Mark Stryker Posted April 24, 2023 Report Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, JSngry said:  Oh, not that it matters, but the grumpy old fact-checker in me feels a compulsion to point out that although Toshiko was born to Japanese parentage, she herself was actually born in China. Noted and corrected. Thanks Edited April 24, 2023 by Mark Stryker Quote
JSngry Posted April 24, 2023 Report Posted April 24, 2023 Toshiko experienced a forced exile from her birth country into a land held my an occupational force, with a family stripped of all of their material possessions. https://www.womenshistory.org/education-resources/biographies/toshiko-akiyoshi Hey, that's pretty darn American too! Quote
clifford_thornton Posted April 24, 2023 Report Posted April 24, 2023 3 hours ago, JSngry said: Toshiko experienced a forced exile from her birth country into a land held my an occupational force, with a family stripped of all of their material possessions. https://www.womenshistory.org/education-resources/biographies/toshiko-akiyoshi Hey, that's pretty darn American too! Yup. Quote
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