Soulpope MIA?

[Brad]

10 hours ago, ghost of miles said:

Co-sign. Especially distressing to see non-problematic and longtime members (Paul Secor, Soulpope, etc) leaving the board because of a moderator’s tone of discourse. (We lost another valuable and civil contributor because of *two* moderators, one of whom is no longer active.) I stick around regardless because this is still my favorite jazz forum, a lot of great content gets posted here, and nobody’s perfect. So spare me sanctimonious edicts and condescendingly homey asides—I get that I’m free to leave at any time. (I have no inclination to do so.) I’ve been wary of stating this and honking off the resident sheriff, but given that Medjuck, surely one of our kindest and gentlest posters, has said something, I feel the need to back him up. A moderator driving away longtime civil members and always positing it all as delusions, vanity, a misguided showdown of pride, a misunderstanding, or some other personal failing on the members’ part is not a healthy pattern.

This forum has had a remarkably long run, even if it’s not as active or as populated as it used to be. Given that 22 years is about a century in social media time, it’s amazing that it persists. That’s in large part because of its member core, so yeah, it’s a bummer to see people like Paul and Soulpope leave because of discourse clashes with a moderator. The forum will fall victim to time as all of us will, and the world will go on as it always does, etc. All the more important to speak your piece while we’re here. 

Well said.  A moderator’s job is not to drive away people. 

[Kevin Bresnahan]

A moderator's job here on organissimo forums has never been defined by Jim A. We've had several through the years that have done a decent job of deescalating arguments. It's fine line between deleting/editing inflammatory comments and censorship.

Jim S seems to allow almost everything to go on for a lot longer than other moderators, likely because he expects things to work out in the end. This may be why some people don't like his style.

In the absence of Larry Kart, Jim A. recently asked me to help out. While I enjoy a good debate, I am less inclined to let them get as nasty as Jim has on a few occasions. Hopefully our two moderation styles can co-exist here and we can make this a good place to visit for everyone.

[clifford_thornton]

Works for me.

I too miss paul secor & am sad to see Soulpope go, but these things do happen. 

aloc, chewy, MG... all enjoyable presences here who I hope are well (as well)

Hopefully we can all work to be less hot-under-the-collar on the internet. As I mentioned upthread, it's happened to me before too and I get it. Just not worth it imo.

would be cool if Allen Lowe came back also.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

Allen Lowe is not coming back unless he works something out with Jim A.

Edited to add that it was Allen's decision to leave. Jim A. just made it so that he couldn't delete all of his content when he left.

[clifford_thornton]

Ah, gotcha.

[EKE BBB]

23 hours ago, ghost of miles said:

Co-sign. Especially distressing to see non-problematic and longtime members (Paul Secor, Soulpope, etc) leaving the board because of a moderator’s tone of discourse. (We lost another valuable and civil contributor because of *two* moderators, one of whom is no longer active.) I stick around regardless because this is still my favorite jazz forum, a lot of great content gets posted here, and nobody’s perfect. So spare me sanctimonious edicts and condescendingly homey asides—I get that I’m free to leave at any time. (I have no inclination to do so.) I’ve been wary of stating this and honking off the resident sheriff, but given that Medjuck, surely one of our kindest and gentlest posters, has said something, I feel the need to back him up. A moderator driving away longtime civil members and always positing it all as delusions, vanity, a misguided showdown of pride, a misunderstanding, or some other personal failing on the members’ part is not a healthy pattern.

This forum has had a remarkably long run, even if it’s not as active or as populated as it used to be. Given that 22 years is about a century in social media time, it’s amazing that it persists. That’s in large part because of its member core, so yeah, it’s a bummer to see people like Paul and Soulpope leave because of discourse clashes with a moderator. The forum will fall victim to time as all of us will, and the world will go on as it always does, etc. All the more important to speak your piece while we’re here. 

I couldn't agree more. So sad to see several very valuable contributors leaving the forum, particularly if it is on account of misunderstandings or hotted exchanges with one moderator.

[Brad]

7 hours ago, Kevin Bresnahan said:

Allen Lowe is not coming back unless he works something out with Jim A.

Edited to add that it was Allen's decision to leave. Jim A. just made it so that he couldn't delete all of his content when he left.

I didn’t realize that there was an issue with Allen.  Too bad.  However, he does have a Substack page.  

[bertrand]

Chewy pops up on Facebook once in a while.

[jlhoots]

2 hours ago, Brad said:

I didn’t realize that there was an issue with Allen.  Too bad.  However, he does have a Substack page.  

Then you haven't read some of his posts.

[Brad]

11 hours ago, jlhoots said:

Then you haven't read some of his posts.

I haven’t been following everything here that closely. I’m mostly at Hoffman. 

[T.D.]

I spend a reasonable amount of time here and was unaware of the (latest) Allen thing.

[Matthew]

24 minutes ago, T.D. said:

I spend a reasonable amount of time here and was unaware of the (latest) Allen thing.

I'm always oblivious to these things, if there's any snakiness going on, I just go right by and forget about it.

[felser]

I've always done best to just not take my thoughts/opinions too seriously here.  I believe what I say in my posts, but if someone loudly disagrees, it's not a life issue for me, and I just roll with it.  Keep perspective, including, self-perspective. 

[Stompin at the Savoy]

So what actually happened with Allen Lowe?  I seem to have missed the final controversy.  Now I feel bad for coming down so hard on him for slagging Emily Remmler...

[mjazzg]

28 minutes ago, felser said:

I've always done best to just not take my thoughts/opinions too seriously here.  I believe what I say in my posts, but if someone loudly disagrees, it's not a life issue for me, and I just roll with it.  Keep perspective, including, self-perspective. 

Very wise words 

[JSngry]

25 minutes ago, Stompin at the Savoy said:

So what actually happened with Allen Lowe?  I seem to have missed the final controversy.  Now I feel bad for coming down so hard on him for slagging Emily Remmler...

Something happened, some interaction, that triggered Allen. What it was, I don't know. But whatever it was, he got inspired to close his account here and do the Substack thing instead. The exact details, as I understand it, we worked out between Allen and Jim A.

And again, life goes on. I wish him well.

[Pim]

1 hour ago, Stompin at the Savoy said:

So what actually happened with Allen Lowe?  I seem to have missed the final controversy.  Now I feel bad for coming down so hard on him for slagging Emily Remmler...

I can’t seem to find that whole thread anymore. Has it been removed?

[T.D.]

32 minutes ago, Pim said:

I can’t seem to find that whole thread anymore. Has it been removed?

I never paid much attention to the thread (no interest in the release, plus the dialogue went batshit), but I thought it was here.

If so, all but the first few posts have been excised.

[Pim]

42 minutes ago, T.D. said:

I never paid much attention to the thread (no interest in the release, plus the dialogue went batshit), but I thought it was here.

If so, all but the first few posts have been excised.

Ah yeah that’s the one. Most of de posts are deleted I see now.

[Stompin at the Savoy]

13 minutes ago, Pim said:

Ah yeah that’s the one. Most of de posts are deleted I see now.

Hmmmmm... yeah. I guess I never did come down hard on him about slagging Emily Remmler.  (Shrug)

[jlhoots]

If memory serves, it wasn't just about Emily Remler.

[rostasi]

Allen's kinda busy with some extra surgeries.

[Dan Gould]

50 minutes ago, rostasi said:

Allen's kinda busy with some extra surgeries.

I did not know that. FB cancelled his account so I do hope he is able to build an audience on substack.

[felser]

https://allenlowe.substack.com/

[clifford_thornton]

Quote

I am going to pop in here.

What finally pushed me out had nothing to do with disagreement but a constant questioning of my motives, like some musicians wouldn't work with me. But the Remler thing was enough, as you can see I am accused of slagging her, just another insulting and personal thing. I offered an opinion that I thought she was not a good guitarist. That's all, not trashing and not slagging.

I don't intend to delete any content and I thought blocking me was silly. I just wanted to walk away because of the persistent disrespect. I have given most of my life to this music, but of course if I was more famous I wouldn't be spoken to like that. And I just did not want to deal with it just because I am not afraid to speak out against certain popular opinions here. I like most of the people on the forum but, given my health issues and the desire to write, play, and compose in the few years I have left, it was just not worth arguing and then having to counter unfair accusations.

The above is from Allen (hopefully it can just stand as it is).

I missed the entire Remler thing.