Great Dave Liebman line

[GA Russell]

15 hours ago, Guy Berger said:

Yes, a lot, though none of these are quintets. If we’re talking just officially released recordings:

Black Beauty (April 1970)

at Fillmore (June 1970)

Isle of Wight Festival (August 1970)

cellar door (December 1970)

and a recording from Europe (fall 1971, on the Newport box)

 

obviously there are tons of unofficial recordings too.

 

between Shorter’s departure in March 1970 and Liebman’s arrival in early 1973, we have live recordings with Steve Grossman (spring/early summer 1970), Gary Bartz (late summer 1970 - fall 1971), Carlos Garnett (summer/fall 1972)

His playing is intense, cerebral and uncompromising - more so than other “straight ahead” Coltrane acolytes.  (Though I am not sure you can really call him SA.)  It took me a while to get into it, too.

Thanks Guy!  Much appreciated!

14 hours ago, JSngry said:

The Miles band has ceased bein a quintet while Wayne  was still playing the gig 

I saw the Lost Quintet in very early 1970 at the Cellar Door. 

It's my recollection (Here we go!) that Keith Jarrett sat in with a second electric keyboard, making it a sextet.

 

[JSngry]

This was Wayne's last live gig with Miles. 3/7/70. Already a sextet:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_at_the_Fillmore_East,_March_7,_1970:_It's_About_That_Time

Here's a list of all know Jarrett gigs with Miles:

https://www.plosin.com/milesahead/Query.aspx?q=M&t=0&n1=1&n1v=Jarrett%2c+Keith&v=0&c2=0&c3=0&m=0&e=0&y=0&n2=0&c4=0

[Gheorghe]

16 hours ago, sidewinder said:

I saw Berg with Miles - and with Cedar Walton. He was a better fit with Cedar but adapted well to the requirements of Miles.

Sonny Fortune joined not too long before the Japan tour and was replaced shortly afterwards in 1975 by Sam Morrison I think. The only times I saw Sonny was on 2 or 3 occasions with Elvin Jones Jazz Machine.

Well I must admit I had not heard Berg much. I hear he was with Cedar Walton that must have been in later years, than I heard them. 

I think Berg with Miles must have been somehow in the mid 80s when I took a chick to a Miles-Show. But I had the impressions, at least from the early 80´s on that Miles who had become more mellow and so, the guys who played with him tried to "out - Miles" him in his behaviour. Berg just stood there and didn´t do nothing. 

Same happens on a videocassette I have from Miles in Paris: The alto player has some problems with his mike and here comes Miles and holds him his Mike into the bell of his the saxophone, so kind, so much support, and what did that kid on the sax ? He didn´t give Miles even a look and played that silly two chord shit (I think the tune was the silly "Human Nature" which I never liked) and that saxophone players just walks of, with that silly hat he has on. 

I felt pity for Miles, he always was kind to his musicians in those years....

Who was Sam Morrison with Miles. I have read his name somewhere but never saw him. Was there some recordings of Miles just before he retired ? 

[soulpope]

1 hour ago, Gheorghe said:

Well I must admit I had not heard Berg much. I hear he was with Cedar Walton that must have been in later years, than I heard them. 

He was twice in Wien @ Audimax TU with Cedar Walton in the late 70's/early 80's ....

[JSngry]

Never feel sorry for Miles Davis.

[Gheorghe]

4 hours ago, JSngry said:

Never feel sorry for Miles Davis.

Why, only because he had a reputation of being rude, well he was a difficult artist but that were others too, the volative Mingus and others....
But if Miles is nice and helps a band member on stage, and that bandmember walks away and nothing, thats where I feel sorry for a guy who maybe had that attitude of a rude man, but just wanted to be nice and helpful to what they did. 

Even if "Human Nature" is no stuff anymore and I never understood why it stuck so much time in the band book, he tried to do it properly....
I felt happy for Miles for all his success he had after his comeback, but sincerly, the only stuff that I liked was the first year, that 1981 music..... 

[clifford_thornton]

Well, he had cards stacked against him -- race, sexuality -- and though he was successful, his life was hardly perfect. I don't feel sorry for him but I think it is fair to recognize & hold empathy for what caused him turbulence.

[JSngry]

Miles could - and did - take care of himself.

I have nothing but respect for that.

[clifford_thornton]

That's true. He found ways.

[JSngry]

 

[Hoppy T. Frog]

On 12/18/2024 at 11:03 AM, clifford_thornton said:

Well, he had cards stacked against him -- race, sexuality -- and though he was successful, his life was hardly perfect. I don't feel sorry for him but I think it is fair to recognize & hold empathy for what caused him turbulence.

re: sexuality, I've been a bit out of the jazz loop for a while, but is Miles's bisexuality confirmed?