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Read this on an Amazon review (of Liebman's Wayne Shorter tribute album) by someone with the handle Roochak:

"Liebman seems to have a confrontational relationship with the soprano sax; the instrument does exactly what he wants it to do, except when it doesn't. "

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40 minutes ago, GA Russell said:

When Shorter left the Lost Quintet, wasn't he replaced by Liebman?  If so, how long did the other three remain with Miles?  Did that quintet have any CDs issued?

Well I saw Davis with Liebman. Liebman was after Steve Grossman, so about 2 years, 1973 + 1974 and IMHO he was the best of Miles post-Wayne saxophonists. 

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Liebman always has numerous diverse projects in the planning stages, limited only by finding funding, never by finding the right musicians or composing the music for them. The man is fascinating to hear in person and a captivating interview guest, both of which I have experienced.

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OK, let me rephrase the question.  Are there CDs of the Miles quintet between Shorter's leaving and his septet of the autumn of '71?

13 hours ago, Gheorghe said:

Well I saw Davis with Liebman. Liebman was after Steve Grossman, so about 2 years, 1973 + 1974 and IMHO he was the best of Miles post-Wayne saxophonists. 

 

2 hours ago, JSngry said:

Sonny Fortune.

 

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5 minutes ago, GA Russell said:

Are there CDs of the Miles quintet between Shorter's leaving and his septet of the autumn of '71?

These aren't "quintets" -- but they date between Shorter's departure and Autumn '71:

- Miles at the Fillmore – Miles Davis 1970: The Bootleg Series, Vol. 3 (April & June 1970) -- with Grossman, Corea & Jarrett
- The Cellar Door Sessions 1970 (December 1970) -- with Bartz & Jarrett 

There may be others.  I'm not certain.

 

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1 hour ago, HutchFan said:

These aren't "quintets" -- but they date between Shorter's departure and Autumn '71:

- Miles at the Fillmore – Miles Davis 1970: The Bootleg Series, Vol. 3 (April & June 1970) -- with Grossman, Corea & Jarrett
- The Cellar Door Sessions 1970 (December 1970) -- with Bartz & Jarrett 

There may be others.  I'm not certain.

 

Thanks HFan!  I had forgotten about both of them!

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Black Beauty with just Corea but not Jarrett and Grossman is in that timeframe too.

I don't know that I prefer Leibman to any of the other post-Shorter sax players with Miles - Grossman, Bartz, Garnett, Sonny Fortune, they are all fine players.  As is Leibman, they each brought their own thing.

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9 hours ago, GA Russell said:

OK, let me rephrase the question.  Are there CDs of the Miles quintet between Shorter's leaving and his septet of the autumn of '71?

 

Yes, a lot, though none of these are quintets. If we’re talking just officially released recordings:

Black Beauty (April 1970)

at Fillmore (June 1970)

Isle of Wight Festival (August 1970)

cellar door (December 1970)

and a recording from Europe (fall 1971, on the Newport box)

 

obviously there are tons of unofficial recordings too.

 

between Shorter’s departure in March 1970 and Liebman’s arrival in early 1973, we have live recordings with Steve Grossman (spring/early summer 1970), Gary Bartz (late summer 1970 - fall 1971), Carlos Garnett (summer/fall 1972)

11 hours ago, clifford_thornton said:

yep. Took me a while to get/get into him, but when I did I really did.

His playing is intense, cerebral and uncompromising - more so than other “straight ahead” Coltrane acolytes.  (Though I am not sure you can really call him SA.)  It took me a while to get into it, too.

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Dave Liebman is a great musician who deserves A LOT respect, and he is Miles Davis' possibly second-to-best saxophonist, but I personally have never been into his music. His partner, Richie Beirach, is similar I feel.  I don't really know why.

I think this is their best performance.

 

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13 hours ago, JSngry said:

Sonny Fortune.

Yeah but Sonny Fortune I think was AFTER I saw the band, and I think it was only for a relativly short time (Agatha and Pangeea), but he is fine and plays alto. And I like his alto sound, while strange to say I am not so wild about Cannonball when he was with the Miles Davis Sextet. There is a certain sound of the alto that I love most: Vibratoless, "sugar-free" ...... well anyone who has at least some of the strength of McLean is my man. Gary Bartz is wonderful....And Sonny Fortune sounds very very good on those Miles albums, but as I said, I saw Miles only with saxophonists like Liebman, and then it was Bill Evans, and I lost the trace of the others later. I think that Bob Berg, who might be a helluva player, was not ideal for the band, or better said, the band not for Bob.....
I was to young to see the Band with Bartz or Grossman. 

Like many of my generation I got my impressions more from the live performances we attended than from LPs, since they were expensive and scarce, while live shows were much more events for not too much money. Since the only dead ones where some of the founders of bop (Bird, But, Fats), there was a lot of music from bop veterans to electric jazz, so I don´t think I got much knowledge from records.....

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I saw Berg with Miles - and with Cedar Walton. He was a better fit with Cedar but adapted well to the requirements of Miles.

Sonny Fortune joined not too long before the Japan tour and was replaced shortly afterwards in 1975 by Sam Morrison I think. The only times I saw Sonny was on 2 or 3 occasions with Elvin Jones Jazz Machine.

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11 minutes ago, sidewinder said:

I saw Berg with Miles - and with Cedar Walton. He was a better fit with Cedar but adapted well to the requirements of Miles.

Sonny Fortune joined not too long before the Japan tour and was replaced shortly afterwards in 1975 by Sam Morrison I think. The only times I saw Sonny was on 2 or 3 occasions with Elvin Jones Jazz Machine.

Yes with Elvin Jones, this was quite late in Elvin´s life. I remember it. He also played flute ! Like Dave Liebman too (best on Ife). 

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10 hours ago, mhatta said:

Dave Liebman is a great musician who deserves A LOT respect, and he is Miles Davis' possibly second-to-best saxophonist, but I personally have never been into his music. His partner, Richie Beirach, is similar I feel.  I don't really know why.

I think this is their best performance.

 

I love Beirach. Shipp got me really listening to him. There's a duo CD with George Coleman that is just stupendous in my opinion.

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9 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said:

I love Beirach.

Me too!  :) 

 

10 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said:

There's a duo CD with George Coleman that is just stupendous in my opinion.

Yeah, it's a good one. 

But I think Beirach's many duo collaborations with Liebman are even better.  For example, Forgotten Fantasies (A&M-Horizon, 1976) is one of my desert-island discs.  Nobody ever seems to talk about it -- but I think it's stinkin' brilliant.

 

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1 hour ago, clifford_thornton said:

I love Beirach. Shipp got me really listening to him. There's a duo CD with George Coleman that is just stupendous in my opinion.

Richie Beirach is rather underappreciated ....

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