Jimmy Lyons - Other Afternoons First CD Issue

[felser]

I received the Bley, Lyons, Murray, and have played the Bley - very happy with the SQ given the usual SQ of the original recordings on the BYG-Actuel label.

[romualdo]

new batch of BYG-Actuel CD releases via Solid Japan coming late March (25) - It's the next 10 from the original 52 releases (69-72)

Acting Trio, Braxton (B-Xo/N-0-1-4-7a), Cyrille (What About), Joachim Kuhn (Sounds Of Feelings), Shepp (Blase), Coursil (Way Ahead), Burrell (Echo), Moncur (New Africa), Terroade (Love Rejoice), Thornton (Ketchaoua).

Many of these have not had official/legit CD releases AFAIK. Some choice stuff in there - wondering how many of these will be released via the recent BYG reissue program - they see to be much more selective plus what is the relationship between the current BYG & Solid releases, if any - nothing on the Hoffman site regarding this.

https://diskunion.net/jazz/ct/list/0/0/137098/0/0/0/10/0/2

Thornton's Ketchaoua is also being released next month (Feb) via the official BYG site

https://bygrecords.bandcamp.com/album/ketchaoua

is it worth modifying the title of this thread to new BYG-Actuel releases or should I commence a new thread?

Edited January 29 by romualdo

[jlhoots]

I ordered the Lyons from Amazon. Supposed to come from Japan. Never showed up. Never was charged either. Received an e-mail about supply chain problems.

[T.D.]

9 hours ago, romualdo said:

new batch of BYG-Actuel CD releases via Solid Japan coming late March (25) - It's the next 10 from the original 52 releases (69-72)

Acting Trio, Braxton (B-Xo/N-0-1-4-7a), Cyrille (What About), Joachim Kuhn (Sounds Of Feelings), Shepp (Blase), Coursil (Way Ahead), Burrell (Echo), Moncur (New Africa), Terroade (Love Rejoice), Thornton (Ketchaoua).

Many of these have not had official/legit CD releases AFAIK. Some choice stuff in there - wondering how many of these will be released via the recent BYG reissue program - they see to be much more selective plus what is the relationship between the current BYG & Solid releases, if any - nothing on the Hoffman site regarding this.

https://diskunion.net/jazz/ct/list/0/0/137098/0/0/0/10/0/2

Thornton's Ketchaoua is also being released next month (Feb) via the official BYG site

https://bygrecords.bandcamp.com/album/ketchaoua

is it worth modifying the title of this thread to new BYG-Actuel releases or should I commence a new thread?

Thanks for this info.

This involves some work for me. 😁 How many of these do I want? If just a few, Dusty Groove is cheaper net of shipping; if above a certain number (which requires calculation and navigating the clunky CDjapan website), CDjapan winds up cheaper. 

[clifford_thornton]

All of those are excellent, excellent records. I think the Acting Trio is a real sleeper, though it is very "out" in a European, non-idiomatic sense.

[mjazzg]

Acting Trio scared me witless about 35 years ago, bet I'd like it today.

Coursil, Moncur and Terroade are the ones for me on that list but have LPs of each which I'll stick with

[colinmce]

Don't sleep on these if you want them. I didn't manage to get a copy of the Lyons and it looks like it's not really around anymore.

I can survive, I have pretty much all the free jazz titles save a couple. I would be very interested in the Frank Wright on CD though.

[J.A.W.]

Got the Lyons a while ago from CDJapan and hated the sound, way too loud for my liking. The old needledrop I have sounds better.

[felser]

Moncur's 'New Africa' is my pick of that label's output by a mile.  Also, Shepp's 'Yasmina, A Black Woman', the other Moncur, and the Arthur Jones are all really good.

[clifford_thornton]

12 minutes ago, J.A.W. said:

Got the Lyons a while ago from CDJapan and hated the sound, way too loud for my liking. The old needledrop I have sounds better.

huh. Wonder if they boosted it in some harsh way. I have all of the Actuels as originals and sound varies as does pressing quality, so needle drop is not exactly a guarantee here.

Kinda shocks me that no Frank Wright is currently in print on CD (though the ESP stuff, incl. Moers & Ali's Alley, is "around"). Criminally under-sung saxophonist, and both the band with Noah Howard and with Alan Silva are tremendous.

[T.D.]

Thanks for the suggestions. The March 25 batch doesn't show on CDJapan site yet. Some of the first 12 are still in stock, though.

Hard indeed to believe no Frank Wright currently in print. 😢

[colinmce]

1 hour ago, clifford_thornton said:

huh. Wonder if they boosted it in some harsh way. I have all of the Actuels as originals and sound varies as does pressing quality, so needle drop is not exactly a guarantee here.

Kinda shocks me that no Frank Wright is currently in print on CD (though the ESP stuff, incl. Moers & Ali's Alley, is "around"). Criminally under-sung saxophonist, and both the band with Noah Howard and with Alan Silva are tremendous.

Fully agree. I would love to see the enter COTW discography in a CD box set with good notation. Wouldn't end up being that large, maybe 5-6 discs.

[clifford_thornton]

yeah. The Fractal issues are even hard to find now, and did include extra tracks. There's also a bunch of very enjoyable live/radio boots kicking around.

Looks like the "Your Prayer" album is in print on vinyl, though the cover art scan is not so good. Haven't heard it so I don't know whether it is a quality pressing (have an original which sounds great).

[jlhoots]

4 hours ago, J.A.W. said:

Got the Lyons a while ago from CDJapan and hated the sound, way too loud for my liking. The old needledrop I have sounds better.

Now i'm glad my (Amazon) order never was sent to me.

[clifford_thornton]

22 hours ago, colinmce said:

Fully agree. I would love to see the enter COTW discography in a CD box set with good notation. Wouldn't end up being that large, maybe 5-6 discs.

of course, if we're talking the group with Howard as well, a box should not be released without the tracks from the session with Pete Brown and Jim Mullen (Piblokto, Battered Ornaments)! There's also an unissued date with Burton Greene in for Bobby Few that I'd like to hear, and I suppose the two tracks with Wright, Few, and Ali on the Hans Dulfer LP could be added -- they're super.

[colinmce]

Now we're talkin'

[T.D.]

The latest  BYG/Actuel Solid CD reissues show as available for 3/24 preorder at DG. I couldn't find them at CDjapan (but hope they will appear).

[king ubu]

On 2/3/2025 at 7:55 PM, T.D. said:

The latest  BYG/Actuel Solid CD reissues show as available for 3/24 preorder at DG. I couldn't find them at CDjapan (but hope they will appear).

They are there now!

Anybody done a complete list of the reissues and care to share? Would be much appreciated!

[RiRiIII]

These are the March 26, 2025 releases as listed at cdjp.

#11-22 were issued in December 2024 with catalogue numbers starting with SGJZ-xxxx and a lower price of 1400 yen:

 

1.      Ketchaoua Clifford Thornton 2000yen EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025 Pre-order

2.      Love Rejoice Kenneth Terroade 2000yen EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025 Pre-order

3.      New Africa Grachan Moncur III Album CD 2000yen EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025 Pre-order

4.      Dave Burrell 2000yen EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025 Pre-order

5.      Way Ahead  Jacques Coursil Album CD Way Ahead 2000yen EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025 Pre-order

6.      Blase Archie Shepp 2000yen  EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025Pre-order

7.      Sounds Of Feelings Joachim Kuhn 2000yen  EUR 12.65March 26, 2025 Pre-order

8.      What About? Andrew Cyrille  2000yen EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025 Pre-order

9.      B-X / NO-I-47 Anthony Braxton  2000yen EUR 12.65March 26, 2025 Pre-order

10.  Acting Trio  Acting Trio 2000yen EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025Pre-order

11.  Ramblin'  Paul Bley 2000yen EUR 12.65 arch 26, 2025  Pre-order

12.  Luna Surface  Alan Silva 2000yen EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025Pre-order

13.  Poem For Malcolm  Archie Shepp 2000yen EUR 12.65 arch 26, 2025  Pre-order

14.  Other Afternoons Jimmy Lyons 2000yen EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025 Pre-order

15.  Aquariana  Burton Greene Ensemble 2000yen EUR 12.65March 26, 2025 Pre-order

16.  Stigmates Michel Puig 2000yen EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025 Pre-order

17.  Africanasia  Claude Delcloo & Arthur Jones 2000yen EUR 12.65arch 26, 2025  Pre-order

18.  Magick Brother +2  Gong 2000yen EUR 12.65 arch 26, 2025 Pre-order

19.  Yasmina, A Black Woman Archie Shepp 2000yen EUR 12.65March 26, 2025 Pre-order

20.  Hommage To Africa Sunny Murray 000yen  EUR 12.65  arch 26, 2025 Pre-order

21.  A Jackson In Your House Art Ensemble Of Chicago 2000yen EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025 Pre-order

22.  Mu' First Part Don Cherry 2000yen  EUR 12.65 March 26, 2025 Pre-order

Edited 8 hours ago by RiRiIII

[T.D.]

Thanks!

What is that Michel Puig release? I've never heard of it. "Chamber opera conducted by René Leibowitz", seems an outlier for the label.

[clifford_thornton]

Yeah, post-tonal modern composition. Puig has a really nice one on Philips with the Percussions de Strasbourg as well.

Technically there are five “contemporary” Actuels: Puig, Acting Trio, Pierre Mariétan/GERM, and the two Musica Elettronica Viva LPs. The second MEV is really a Spacecraft record, though — French kosmische/Krautrock-adjacent music. It is very, very good.

[T.D.]

44 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said:

Yeah, post-tonal modern composition. Puig has a really nice one on Philips with the Percussions de Strasbourg as well.

Technically there are five “contemporary” Actuels: Puig, Acting Trio, Pierre Mariétan/GERM, and the two Musica Elettronica Viva LPs. The second MEV is really a Spacecraft record, though — French kosmische/Krautrock-adjacent music. It is very, very good.

Thanks. I listened to a brief clip of the Puig and it's not the type of thing I'm into these days. I like the Percussions de Strasbourg a lot, so will look out for the Philips. I hadn't heard of the Acting Trio or Mariétan/GERM, either.

MEV is a mixed bag for me (I have the New World box set), will look for some clips. The Spacecraft connection should be a plus IMO.

[jlhoots]

Amazon canceled my Lyons order after a 2 month wait.

[felser]

I'm in for the Thornton, Kuhn, and Burrell, bought the Bley, Lyons, and Murray in December, already owned the Shepp, AEC, Moncur and Cherry titles.  The Moncur is superb, and the Shepp 'Yasmina' is really strong.