Charles Mingus with Eric Dolphy

[Gheorghe]

20 hours ago, Luciano said:

Thanks for your reflections on The great paris concert (3 Long Playings) was also a thrilling moment for me even though I had already discovered Dolphy
 in the volumes At The Five Spot Vol I & II

I don´t have the album but had a gig and Porgy´s with an US-Altosaxophonist who had "Fire Waltz" on the set list, and it sounded wonderful. 

About Mingus, he did often play in your wonderful country Italia. I remember very well the two times I saw Mingus live, it was one time in Viena, and the other time it was in Franța, but I think that was his last tour...

[Luciano]

12 hours ago, Gheorghe said:

I don´t have the album but had a gig and Porgy´s with an US-Altosaxophonist who had "Fire Waltz" on the set list, and it sounded wonderful. 

About Mingus, he did often play in your wonderful country Italia. I remember very well the two times I saw Mingus live, it was one time in Viena, and the other time it was in Franța, but I think that was his last tour...

Nice! I saw Charles only one time in Milan he was a titan!! Are you a musicians? What do you play?

[Gheorghe]

12 hours ago, Luciano said:

Nice! I saw Charles only one time in Milan he was a titan!! Are you a musicians? What do you play?

ITALY...... is a wonderful country with a lot of jazz fans. For me before I became a musician (as a kid, when I collected records), Italy was the "Mekka" of Jazz-LPs. 

I bought mostly those from that striped series "Lineatre" or from the "Kings of Jazz" Series. Especially those "bootlegs" or "rare broadcasts" were my greatest love. I´l never forget how helpful for me was those two Miles Davis albums from 1950-51 of strict bop sessions at Birdland, when I found out, that Bebop is the basis of what I wanted to start. If you can play all that fast shit, you can go into further directions.....
It was not possible for me to travel, but my parents got the possibility to visit Roma and I gave them a list of what they should buy for me (Italian pressings of jazz records). 

And last not least there was the best of all: "HORO" records !!!!! 

MINGUS..... first time with Jack Walrath, Ricky Ford, Danny Mixon, Danny Richmond (tunes played: Fables of Faubus, Sues Changes, Remember Rockefeller at Atica), and the second time same personnel but Bob Neloms replacing Danny Mixon (Summer 1977: Tunes: For Harry Carney, Cumbia and Jazz Fusion, Three or Four Shades of the Blues). 

 

MUSICIAN.......me, yes ! I had thought this is common knowledge here in the Forum Organissimo..... 

look at the homepage from my profile, (www.bop-explosion.com) that´s an all Leader´s formation that I formed after so much time as a sideman....., and listen to the CD we recorded this year ! 

Edited November 26 by Gheorghe

[Luciano]

2 hours ago, Gheorghe said:

ITALY...... is a wonderful country with a lot of jazz fans. For me before I became a musician (as a kid, when I collected records), Italy was the "Mekka" of Jazz-LPs. 

I bought mostly those from that striped series "Lineatre" or from the "Kings of Jazz" Series. Especially those "bootlegs" or "rare broadcasts" were my greatest love. I´l never forget how helpful for me was those two Miles Davis albums from 1950-51 of strict bop sessions at Birdland, when I found out, that Bebop is the basis of what I wanted to start. If you can play all that fast shit, you can go into further directions.....
It was not possible for me to travel, but my parents got the possibility to visit Roma and I gave them a list of what they should buy for me (Italian pressings of jazz records). 

And last not least there was the best of all: "HORO" records !!!!! 

MINGUS..... first time with Jack Walrath, Ricky Ford, Danny Mixon, Danny Richmond (tunes played: Fables of Faubus, Sues Changes, Remember Rockefeller at Atica), and the second time same personnel but Bob Neloms replacing Danny Mixon (Summer 1977: Tunes: For Harry Carney, Cumbia and Jazz Fusion, Three or Four Shades of the Blues). 

 

MUSICIAN.......me, yes ! I had thought this is common knowledge here in the Forum Organissimo..... 

look at the homepage from my profile, (www.bop-explosion.com) that´s an all Leader´s formation that I formed after so much time as a sideman....., and listen to the CD we recorded this year ! 

Well I just now finished listening to your CD, congratulations! Although it is not the genre I follow I was very pleased to breathe an air full of serenity as it shines through your music. Thank you

[Gheorghe]

1 hour ago, Luciano said:

Well I just now finished listening to your CD, congratulations! Although it is not the genre I follow I was very pleased to breathe an air full of serenity as it shines through your music. Thank you

Thank you so much dear Luciano. 

I can understand, that though you enjoyed it, it may not be exactly the genre you follow.  In the few moments where I have time to just listen to records, I also listen very much to 60´s avantgarde stuff, Ornette, Don Cherry, late Trane, Sanders and stuff, and as I said, MINGUS with Dolphy opened my mind for all that. 
Since at that time I did not "know" anything else than 50´s 60´s Miles from Prestige records to Bitches Brew, Mingus led me to listen to Free jazz as well as to stride piano (thru Jakie Byard) and most of all Bebop. Until "Parkeriana" I didn´t know nothing about Bird, or Bud or all of them, but thanks to Mingus I went back to that style to really "study" it, because if you can play "Dizzy Atmoshpere" at a speed like 1947 at Carnegie Hall, you have mastered your instrument, and if you can play a ballad deep like "Round Midnight" , you got the depth you need....... finally, bop is the basis of everything that came after..... 

[Luciano]

13 minutes ago, Gheorghe said:

Thank you so much dear Luciano. 

I can understand, that though you enjoyed it, it may not be exactly the genre you follow.  In the few moments where I have time to just listen to records, I also listen very much to 60´s avantgarde stuff, Ornette, Don Cherry, late Trane, Sanders and stuff, and as I said, MINGUS with Dolphy opened my mind for all that. 
Since at that time I did not "know" anything else than 50´s 60´s Miles from Prestige records to Bitches Brew, Mingus led me to listen to Free jazz as well as to stride piano (thru Jakie Byard) and most of all Bebop. Until "Parkeriana" I didn´t know nothing about Bird, or Bud or all of them, but thanks to Mingus I went back to that style to really "study" it, because if you can play "Dizzy Atmoshpere" at a speed like 1947 at Carnegie Hall, you have mastered your instrument, and if you can play a ballad deep like "Round Midnight" , you got the depth you need....... finally, bop is the basis of everything that came after..... 

 

13 minutes ago, Gheorghe said:

Thank you so much dear Luciano. 

I can understand, that though you enjoyed it, it may not be exactly the genre you follow.  In the few moments where I have time to just listen to records, I also listen very much to 60´s avantgarde stuff, Ornette, Don Cherry, late Trane, Sanders and stuff, and as I said, MINGUS with Dolphy opened my mind for all that. 
Since at that time I did not "know" anything else than 50´s 60´s Miles from Prestige records to Bitches Brew, Mingus led me to listen to Free jazz as well as to stride piano (thru Jakie Byard) and most of all Bebop. Until "Parkeriana" I didn´t know nothing about Bird, or Bud or all of them, but thanks to Mingus I went back to that style to really "study" it, because if you can play "Dizzy Atmoshpere" at a speed like 1947 at Carnegie Hall, you have mastered your instrument, and if you can play a ballad deep like "Round Midnight" , you got the depth you need....... finally, bop is the basis of everything that came after..... 

It's pretty much the same path as mine:
Armstrong, the fascination with Davis, free-jazz and Don Cherry with whom I established a friendship that lasted about 20 years. I met him at Hastveda in 73, then I, together with other friends of mine, organized as part of the Jazz evenings in Pisa several concerts. he is the musician I follow most of all (along withMingus, Dolphy, Ceicl Taylor, etc.).

[Gheorghe]

Well, I was too young for Armstrong. 

You know, I grew up in the times, where those who where a bit older than, me who were like my big brothas listened mostly to what is the music you refer to. 

Mingus was a hero of us all, like Miles, and Bird was somethin like the James Dean of Jazz, Coltrane almost a divine being... you know....
 

I got acquainted to Don Cherry thru the Sonny Rollins Stuttgart concert 1963 from an Italian Pressing, and later from a friend from Cehoslovacia who had that huge magnetofon maybe Russian production and had "Complete Comunion" on it and the extremly rare "Rhythm X" . We only could dream about Blue Note records, they were more or less a legend. 

But that cehoslovac hipster had stuff like that, and Cecil Taylor too. So that´s how I got in touch with that stuff. It is to me music as dynamic as Bop. 

[Gheorghe]

Recently I had discovered there was a Mingus-Dolphy thing even earlier, titled "Town Hall Concert" recorded shortly before the trip to France ! 

I think I had heard it at a Party when I was a teenager and since I already had the 3 LP set from Paris, I was surprised to hear that music on a single LP. But somehow it sounds more "tame" than the wilder Paris Concert. On "So long Eric" they don´t change so much the tempos, they play a straight ahead blues stuff.

I must say, I like the stuff without Johnny Coles more. Somehow I don´t dig so much Johnny Cole´s tone, Mingus sometimes had strange choices for the trumpet chair. Like the trumpet player on the two America LPs from the 70´s , his name was something like Billy Preston or so, he doesn´t impress me, but those albums anyway are to much lame duck for my taste. And I think on Mingus Moves he also has a quite weak trumpet player. 
I was not pleased with Walrath at the beginning, but he turned out to be one of the best trumpet players Mingus had.