webbcity Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 Hey gang! I humbly present to you BFT 247, with massive thanks as always to @tkeith! https://thomkeith.net/blindfold-tests/current-tests/ Hopefully I've picked at least a few things worthy of interest & discussion. Also, hoping @JSngry will give it at least a few minutes before he IDs every track. 😉 😄 Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 How long do we have to wait until we identify tracks? Track one is a favorite of mine. Quote
webbcity Posted October 1 Author Report Posted October 1 1 hour ago, clifford_thornton said: How long do we have to wait until we identify tracks? Track one is a favorite of mine. Oh, I think any time you want... Don't think there are any rules around that. I did wonder if track 1 might be ID'd quickly! 1 hour ago, JSngry said: Junior Parker Boom! Yes! 🏆 Quote
felser Posted October 2 Report Posted October 2 1 – I like it, way better than the norm for this sort of thing. A Love Supreme riff nicely worked in there. I should probably be able to ID at least the tune, but I can’t. Brian Lynch on trumpet, and his album? 2 – Love it, right in my wheelhouse! Also works in A Love Supreme 😊, more blatantly than the first cut. Nimbus West feel, but likely more recent vintage? Fidelity is way too good to be Nimbus West. Love the tenor playing. Kamasi Washington? Tenor is well familiar with Pharoah, pianist is well familiar with Lonnie Liston Smith’s work with Pharoah. This has all been done before, but it’s done really well here. If I don’t already own this, I will take care of getting it ASAP. I’m thinking I might be able to ID this with some work. 3 – Also in my wheelhouse, probably a well-known tenor (Joe Farrell?), but it’s the drummer who is winning me over, sounds just like Elvin. Oh, that’s a possible clue! I may yet ID this with some additional work, but Sangrey will likely ID it right off. Great cut. It will be in my collection shortly if it isn’t already. 4 – I know this composition well, just need to pull it from the memory banks. Nice CTI’ish feel to it, has to be Hubert Laws and Freddie Hubbard on CTI from the early 70’s, doesn’t it? Ron Carter on bass, Billy Cobham on drums? Good cut, which I would think I have somewhere. 5 – Started pretty, but meandered and didn’t go anywhere for me. 6 – Just feels off to me, like rhythm section, trumpet, and sax playing in different keys and times. I like the walking bass. 7 – Leaves me cold overall, though it grows on me a little bit as it goes on. Intro had me waiting for something, but that meh guitar solo certainly wasn’t it, nor was the tuba laying its burdens down. I assume this sort of thing is considered very “in” in some circles like the Knitting Factory audience or whatever, but lost on me. I’m old, and have not warmed to the new rhythm approaches of the past 30-something years. The sax solo does catch my attention. At 10+ minutes, it way overstays its welcome for me. 8 - Like it, don’t love it. Again, the rhythm thing hangs me up, even though the bass player has good chops. 9 – Exotica! I like it. Sounds vaguely familiar. Assuming 50’s vintage from both the style and the fidelity. Wouldn’t shock me if I own this already. 10 – Very fragile piece. Not up my alley, though clearly they are talented musicians. The guitar and bass do more for me than the lead horn. Cut goes nowhere as it goes on, so outstays its welcome for me. 11 – Finally back in my wheelhouse! Older (early-mid 70’s?, indy label?) cut based on sound quality. Rhythm section doing it for me, and I’m loving the Tenor player, who certainly sounds like Billy Harper! Also loving the trumpet, who sounds like Hannibal Peterson. And the piano solo works fine for me. Loving this cut, my favorite on the BFT. Don’t recognize it, but I need this if I don’t have it! 12 – I don’t want to like this, but I do. Bass player’s delight! Miroslav Vitous? 13 – Well, tomorrow never knows, does it? Interesting rendition. Great BFT, thanks! 2,3,4,11 all huge winners for me which I need to own! 1,9,12,13 also winners for me. Quite a fine batting average! Quote
T.D. Posted October 2 Report Posted October 2 (edited) Jim ID'd the artist of #13 and John the tune. I very much dig the rendition, knew the tune but not the artist...Full ID here, tinyurl to avoid spoiler: https://tinyurl.com/mwfs2x87 Posting on about half now (after sporadic edits/adds), will cover the rest later. #13: gonna have to listen to a lot of Jr. Parker! #12 is an interesting mix of fusion and "+ strings" with a strong Middle Eastern vibe. Haven't heard it, would have to come up with some candidate performers and sleuth, but too early for that. #11 is also in my wheelhouse, but I don't believe I've heard it before. I have an excellent Masabumi Kikuchi / Gil Evans album with the players John mentioned, but this tune ain't on it. I hear a vague Middle Eastern influence on the saxophone solo, but too early to say whether that could be a BFT theme here. #9 is "Oscarlypso". Excellent tune, I know only a Curtis Fuller version on The Opener, but this arrangement is much different. Bone sounds more like JJ here, but it's somebody else (BB). I'm surprised that this (presumably the OG) recording is so much more "exotic" than Fuller's later cover. Might be hallucinating, but the opening flute passage seems to have been quoted by Led Zeppelin(?!)*, I recall the LZ song's melody but not lyrics or title. Full ID here: https://tinyurl.com/yhf4ku6u [Added] *Honest to God, compare the opening of #9 with the opening of Zeppelin's The Immigrant Song... 🤣 #6: Not bad, I enjoy the way the sax plays behind the trumpet (who must be leader?), weird that sax gets no big solo. Saxophonist sounds familiar, as if I have at least recording with him, but can't put a finger on ID. Trumpeter is a dominant player with big stamina like Tolliver, but doesn't sound like CT and I can't ID. Look forward to ID or reveal. #5: Enjoy this, especially the piano. Can't ID musicians, but it feels like the leader/reed player is someone mostly known as "avant-garde" playing more straight-ahead. Kind of a Marion Brown situation, though it doesn't sound much like him and I can't even be certain it's an alto with my crummy computer sound. #4: Felser seems to be spot on here, though I can't vouch for the musician IDs. I like this a lot more than most of the genre, especially the flute soloist. Would be inclined to seek out a recording, but IMO there are a few too many stock early '70s licks on this particular tune so I'd need to hear more samples. Definitely interested in hearing more from the flautist. Edited October 4 by T.D. avoid multiple posting Quote
JSngry Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 I love Junior Parker!Let's get these out of the way up top. Other Junior Parker Beatles covers: And perhaps the most unlikely of them all: Go figure that. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 1 is Mau Mau by Art Farmer & Quincy Jones, notably heard on "Work of Art." 7 is driving me crazy. Seems so familiar, very much in the BAG vein. Enjoy it immensely. Quote
felser Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 3 hours ago, JSngry said: I love Junior Parker I have most of his 50's/60's recordings on Sun, Duke, and Mercury, but not his later work. I like what I have quite a bit, but the later albums don't seem so easy to come by on CD. Quote
JSngry Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 40 minutes ago, felser said: I have most of his 50's/60's recordings on Sun, Duke, and Mercury, but not his later work. I like what I have quite a bit, but the later albums don't seem so easy to come by on CD. They were done for Sonny Lester, which means that they've been around the world and back in some fashion. However you find them, make sure you get this one included: Quote
Dan Gould Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 12 hours ago, JSngry said: I love Junior Parker So do I ... But these albums are ... not good. An artifact of a moment in time (OK I think "Drownin on Dry Land" and maybe there is a "River's Invitation" in there that aren't horrible). If you want Junior Parker with Jimmy McGriff, find this (vinyl only): https://www.discogs.com/master/1063364-Jimmy-McGriff-Junior-Parker-Jimmy-McGriff-Junior-Parker Recorded in 1972 so after these recordings but none of those tunes in sight. It reminds me of how (as I understand it), Stanley Turrentine made his records the way the labels expected during the 70s and early-mid 80s, but his live performances were little different from what he did always in his career. Had to get that off my chest ... I don't know if I will post a breakdown of these tracks,, I am having a hard time finding a way in, aside from Track 1, so far. Quote
JSngry Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 That one was produced by Sonny Lester(for UA) as was this one (in 1970, for Capitol) https://www.discogs.com/release/3660825-Jimmy-McGriff-Junior-Parker-The-Dudes-Doin-Business Quote
JSngry Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 Happy Friday!!!! TRACK ONE - Pretty sure I have this one, but the identity escapes me. Sounds like Johnny Coles, but it isn't. I like the arrangement, those voicings are pretty modern for the time (based on the recording, sounds like early-middle 50s). Ensemble phrasing is good too. Dare I say that this is just a bit "ahead of its time"? Excellent performance! TRACK TWO - A little on the basic side of "Spiritual Jazz", which is not to say that it's lacking, just that that's where it is. Gotta think that there's more than this on whatever the record is. Certainly sounds like strong players, just not a lot on this cut. Certainly would like to hear the entire record! TRACK THREE - If this is Elvin, I'd like to know who the tenor player is, as it's a pretty non-Elvin-y tenor player. If it's not Elvin, then that tenor player needs to wait until they have enough of a personal concept that they don't need an Elvin clone to try to get over. I mean, it's good playing, but at the end of the day, Trane is Trane and cats have been trying to "get to the other side" of it for more than half a century now, and...what? Nothing. I know that sounds harsh, but it's not meant with any disrespect to all the work that's obviously been done, but for me as a listener, I end up with a lot of...deja vu of the non-mystical type. Keep trying, I guess? TRACK FOUR - Sounds like "Fancy Free" but isn't? Or is it? Is that Blakey? If so, is that Woody Shaw? Must be one of the early 70s Prestige sides. I like all of those records, Stanley Clarke, then? That's got a good pocket. Very danceable! I regret Blakey's decision to go retro, this was a good vibe for him an the Messengers. Not sure who that tenor player is, bugged me at first but then it got dug in and got good. Another winner here! TRACK FIVE - No clue. Interesting vibe, like you think it's going to be a meditative vamp and then, look out, there's changes! And then it goes back. I like that it's deliberately "small", small actually creates more room than "big" because big is already using the space, right? And I like how the message here is not overtly PEACE or some shit, this is a lot more than that. Nicely played indeed. TRACK SIX - This is another one I think I have...one of those things that is strong where it stands, but might get wobbly if it starts walking around, if the makes any sense,,,so, you know, not everybody needs to move, if you got a good thing where you are, maybe keep it right there. Be a tree, not a bird. TRACK SEVEN - Good pocket! And whoa, what is that guitar?!?!?!?! Tuba, Howard Johnson? Liking this one a LOT. Another danceable thing. Sayin YES to that bass solo, ALL the way in! No idea what this is, but that's my bad. TRACK EIGHT - Bern Nix? Pretty unmistakable tone and attack. I have one record by his, is this it? LOL. Black and yellow cover? I like his thing, it's an in way of playing out and vice-versa. Main thin is his pitch, how be bends the notes like a blues player but doesn't sound like a BLUES PLAYER. A perfect partner for Ornette in that regard. TRACK NINE - In your face from jump, gotta love that! Bob Brookmeyer? On this kind of a date? Shifts expectations....I like it, it's short and to the point. TRACK TEN - Ok, my favorite version of "Blue In Green" is by Archie Shepp, on Venus, and this is not that. I do like what happens after the head, it opens up into its own space. I like that, especially these days. Very disciplined too, in the good way, listening and collaborating instead of imitating. This is a group, not a bunch of pickup pranksters. Much love just for that alone, but there's more due, just for having some courage and, dare I say, vision. TRACK ELEVEN - more fourth-y voicings, shades of Track One! Is that Tyrone Washington? Barbara Donald on trumpet? Sonny Simmons on tenor? These people came to play, that's for sure. I should know it, but I don't, and I should have it, but do I? Is everybody on here still alive? That's a lot of energy.... TRACK TWELVE - Hmmm....not for me. At least not today. TRACK THIRTEEN - When your car is about as long as your house is wide, you get privileges, all told, a thoroughly engaging set, engaging and challenging. Much appreciated here! Quote
webbcity Posted October 5 Author Report Posted October 5 John, was hoping a few of these would hit you right in the wheelhouse, glad that it worked out. 😁 Comments below... On 10/2/2024 at 11:31 AM, felser said: 1 – I like it, way better than the norm for this sort of thing. A Love Supreme riff nicely worked in there. I should probably be able to ID at least the tune, but I can’t. Brian Lynch on trumpet, and his album? This was recorded several years before Brian Lynch was born, actually! This one is a recent discovery for me. @clifford_thornton has already ID'd it. So-- that Love Supreme "quote" pre-dates ALS by more than a decade! 2 – Love it, right in my wheelhouse! Also works in A Love Supreme 😊, more blatantly than the first cut. Nimbus West feel, but likely more recent vintage? Fidelity is way too good to be Nimbus West. Love the tenor playing. Kamasi Washington? Tenor is well familiar with Pharoah, pianist is well familiar with Lonnie Liston Smith’s work with Pharoah. This has all been done before, but it’s done really well here. If I don’t already own this, I will take care of getting it ASAP. I’m thinking I might be able to ID this with some work. This one could be a surprise, I don't know... was hoping for that, but I am usually foiled in that department. 😄 But it pre-dates Nimbus West by 7 or 8 years! 3 – Also in my wheelhouse, probably a well-known tenor (Joe Farrell?), but it’s the drummer who is winning me over, sounds just like Elvin. Oh, that’s a possible clue! I may yet ID this with some additional work, but Sangrey will likely ID it right off. Great cut. It will be in my collection shortly if it isn’t already. I'm glad you liked this one, was hoping you would. You do know the artist. 4 – I know this composition well, just need to pull it from the memory banks. Nice CTI’ish feel to it, has to be Hubert Laws and Freddie Hubbard on CTI from the early 70’s, doesn’t it? Ron Carter on bass, Billy Cobham on drums? Good cut, which I would think I have somewhere. Yep, I bet you are familiar with this record. It was a bit of a surprise to me, but I bet you might have this one. Negatory on Carter & Cobham. 5 – Started pretty, but meandered and didn’t go anywhere for me. Fair enough! 6 – Just feels off to me, like rhythm section, trumpet, and sax playing in different keys and times. I like the walking bass. I will say that the recording doesn't help this one and I think even adds to the effect you're describing. But this is an artist who I have a ton of love & respect for. 7 – Leaves me cold overall, though it grows on me a little bit as it goes on. Intro had me waiting for something, but that meh guitar solo certainly wasn’t it, nor was the tuba laying its burdens down. I assume this sort of thing is considered very “in” in some circles like the Knitting Factory audience or whatever, but lost on me. I’m old, and have not warmed to the new rhythm approaches of the past 30-something years. The sax solo does catch my attention. At 10+ minutes, it way overstays its welcome for me. Interesting! This is not at all in the area you are thinking, and you might be surprised at this one too. This is not from the past 30 years. And I LOVE that guitar solo. 8 - Like it, don’t love it. Again, the rhythm thing hangs me up, even though the bass player has good chops. Yes, the bassist is definitely a favorite of mine, as are the guitarist & drummer actually! I think @JSngry may have nailed this one. 9 – Exotica! I like it. Sounds vaguely familiar. Assuming 50’s vintage from both the style and the fidelity. Wouldn’t shock me if I own this already. Yes to the 50s, and you probably do own or at least know this one. 10 – Very fragile piece. Not up my alley, though clearly they are talented musicians. The guitar and bass do more for me than the lead horn. Cut goes nowhere as it goes on, so outstays its welcome for me. Do you know the tune though? 11 – Finally back in my wheelhouse! Older (early-mid 70’s?, indy label?) cut based on sound quality. Rhythm section doing it for me, and I’m loving the Tenor player, who certainly sounds like Billy Harper! Also loving the trumpet, who sounds like Hannibal Peterson. And the piano solo works fine for me. Loving this cut, my favorite on the BFT. Don’t recognize it, but I need this if I don’t have it! Yes, definitely an indy label, but the timeframe is a bit different. This is one I've been really digging lately, and someone who deserves much wider appreciation. 12 – I don’t want to like this, but I do. Bass player’s delight! Miroslav Vitous? Not Vitous, but yes... I did pick this one up for the bass player. Though that's not the only reason... 🤐 13 – Well, tomorrow never knows, does it? Interesting rendition. I love this one. @JSngry ID'd it right off the bat! Great BFT, thanks! 2,3,4,11 all huge winners for me which I need to own! 1,9,12,13 also winners for me. Quite a fine batting average! Happy to oblige! 😁 Was hoping to respond to more right now but I've run out of time... will catch up later today. No surprise, @JSngry, you did nail several of these! Quote
JSngry Posted October 5 Report Posted October 5 Is 10 Braxton/Halverson? Braxton I'm sure about now, from the attack. Quote
webbcity Posted October 5 Author Report Posted October 5 Responses below... On 10/2/2024 at 7:57 PM, T.D. said: Jim ID'd the artist of #13 and John the tune. I very much dig the rendition, knew the tune but not the artist...Full ID here, tinyurl to avoid spoiler: https://tinyurl.com/mwfs2x87 Posting on about half now (after sporadic edits/adds), will cover the rest later. #13: gonna have to listen to a lot of Jr. Parker! Yep, true for me as well-- I have been digging this one for a little bit now but definitely need to dig deeper. #12 is an interesting mix of fusion and "+ strings" with a strong Middle Eastern vibe. Haven't heard it, would have to come up with some candidate performers and sleuth, but too early for that. I can't say too much yet either, because I fear I might give something away. 🤐 #11 is also in my wheelhouse, but I don't believe I've heard it before. I have an excellent Masabumi Kikuchi / Gil Evans album with the players John mentioned, but this tune ain't on it. I hear a vague Middle Eastern influence on the saxophone solo, but too early to say whether that could be a BFT theme here. Not an intentional theme, no. @JSngry has ID'd the trumpet player. #9 is "Oscarlypso". Excellent tune, I know only a Curtis Fuller version on The Opener, but this arrangement is much different. Bone sounds more like JJ here, but it's somebody else (BB). I'm surprised that this (presumably the OG) recording is so much more "exotic" than Fuller's later cover. Might be hallucinating, but the opening flute passage seems to have been quoted by Led Zeppelin(?!)*, I recall the LZ song's melody but not lyrics or title. Full ID here: https://tinyurl.com/yhf4ku6u [Added] *Honest to God, compare the opening of #9 with the opening of Zeppelin's The Immigrant Song... 🤣 Bingo! And that is hilarious about the Zep reference, I hadn't picked up on that! I've long been a fan of Pettiford but only came to this recording relatively recently. Love the tune and the arrangement. #6: Not bad, I enjoy the way the sax plays behind the trumpet (who must be leader?), weird that sax gets no big solo. Saxophonist sounds familiar, as if I have at least recording with him, but can't put a finger on ID. Trumpeter is a dominant player with big stamina like Tolliver, but doesn't sound like CT and I can't ID. Look forward to ID or reveal. You're correct that the trumpet player is the leader. The tenor player is not a household name, but it's possible you have a recording with him, especially if you have anything from this particular trumpet player. #5: Enjoy this, especially the piano. Can't ID musicians, but it feels like the leader/reed player is someone mostly known as "avant-garde" playing more straight-ahead. Kind of a Marion Brown situation, though it doesn't sound much like him and I can't even be certain it's an alto with my crummy computer sound. I definitely get where you're coming from with Marion Brown, but it's not an alto. I do think this particular player leans towards the avant-garde... I am not super familiar with them, but am more familiar with the leader, who most definitely leans avant-garde. This is probably one of the more inside pieces on the record. #4: Felser seems to be spot on here, though I can't vouch for the musician IDs. I like this a lot more than most of the genre, especially the flute soloist. Would be inclined to seek out a recording, but IMO there are a few too many stock early '70s licks on this particular tune so I'd need to hear more samples. Definitely interested in hearing more from the flautist. Once again, @JSngry ID'd much of this-- you definitely know the drummer! The flute player is not super well-known, but on the other hand is not really obscure either. On 10/2/2024 at 10:40 PM, clifford_thornton said: 1 is Mau Mau by Art Farmer & Quincy Jones, notably heard on "Work of Art." Yes indeed! Winner winner! Love this cut. 7 is driving me crazy. Seems so familiar, very much in the BAG vein. Enjoy it immensely. That is really interesting-- you're right about the BAG thing, that hadn't occurred to me. But no... On 10/3/2024 at 8:29 AM, Dan Gould said: So do I ... But these albums are ... not good. An artifact of a moment in time (OK I think "Drownin on Dry Land" and maybe there is a "River's Invitation" in there that aren't horrible). If you want Junior Parker with Jimmy McGriff, find this (vinyl only): https://www.discogs.com/master/1063364-Jimmy-McGriff-Junior-Parker-Jimmy-McGriff-Junior-Parker Recorded in 1972 so after these recordings but none of those tunes in sight. It reminds me of how (as I understand it), Stanley Turrentine made his records the way the labels expected during the 70s and early-mid 80s, but his live performances were little different from what he did always in his career. Had to get that off my chest ... I don't know if I will post a breakdown of these tracks,, I am having a hard time finding a way in, aside from Track 1, so far. Dan, you may also have luck with track 9... and maybe track 4? Or not? Quote
webbcity Posted October 5 Author Report Posted October 5 On 10/4/2024 at 3:53 PM, JSngry said: Happy Friday!!!! TRACK ONE - Pretty sure I have this one, but the identity escapes me. Sounds like Johnny Coles, but it isn't. I like the arrangement, those voicings are pretty modern for the time (based on the recording, sounds like early-middle 50s). Ensemble phrasing is good too. Dare I say that this is just a bit "ahead of its time"? Excellent performance! This one was ID'd by @clifford_thornton. You're exactly right on the time frame, and yes, very much ahead of its time in many ways! Supposedly this is the first recording of an electric bass in jazz. TRACK TWO - A little on the basic side of "Spiritual Jazz", which is not to say that it's lacking, just that that's where it is. Gotta think that there's more than this on whatever the record is. Certainly sounds like strong players, just not a lot on this cut. Certainly would like to hear the entire record! Yeah, I do hear what you mean, though I do really enjoy this cut. The whole record is very good IMO, but...hmmm, well I was going to say something but will hold off giving anything away just yet. TRACK THREE - If this is Elvin, I'd like to know who the tenor player is, as it's a pretty non-Elvin-y tenor player. If it's not Elvin, then that tenor player needs to wait until they have enough of a personal concept that they don't need an Elvin clone to try to get over. I mean, it's good playing, but at the end of the day, Trane is Trane and cats have been trying to "get to the other side" of it for more than half a century now, and...what? Nothing. I know that sounds harsh, but it's not meant with any disrespect to all the work that's obviously been done, but for me as a listener, I end up with a lot of...deja vu of the non-mystical type. Keep trying, I guess? Not Elvin, and the recording is "modern." I think if you listened to a few more tracks from this one you may be more generous towards it. Or maybe not? But possibly... TRACK FOUR - Sounds like "Fancy Free" but isn't? Or is it? Is that Blakey? If so, is that Woody Shaw? Must be one of the early 70s Prestige sides. I like all of those records, Stanley Clarke, then? That's got a good pocket. Very danceable! I regret Blakey's decision to go retro, this was a good vibe for him an the Messengers. Not sure who that tenor player is, bugged me at first but then it got dug in and got good. Another winner here! Bingo! Art Blakey, Woody Shaw, Stanley Clarke. Only came to this record myself within the last year. Love it! TRACK FIVE - No clue. Interesting vibe, like you think it's going to be a meditative vamp and then, look out, there's changes! And then it goes back. I like that it's deliberately "small", small actually creates more room than "big" because big is already using the space, right? And I like how the message here is not overtly PEACE or some shit, this is a lot more than that. Nicely played indeed. Nice! I like that you enjoyed this one. Yeah, hopefully this will be a nice surprise. TRACK SIX - This is another one I think I have...one of those things that is strong where it stands, but might get wobbly if it starts walking around, if the makes any sense,,,so, you know, not everybody needs to move, if you got a good thing where you are, maybe keep it right there. Be a tree, not a bird. Yep, I think I read you, and yes, you may have this one. TRACK SEVEN - Good pocket! And whoa, what is that guitar?!?!?!?! Tuba, Howard Johnson? Liking this one a LOT. Another danceable thing. Sayin YES to that bass solo, ALL the way in! No idea what this is, but that's my bad. VERY glad you dug this one. Correct on Howard Johnson! I could listen to this tune all day. I will be surprised if someone IDs this. Though I've been surprised before... by you, in fact! TRACK EIGHT - Bern Nix? Pretty unmistakable tone and attack. I have one record by his, is this it? LOL. Black and yellow cover? I like his thing, it's an in way of playing out and vice-versa. Main thin is his pitch, how be bends the notes like a blues player but doesn't sound like a BLUES PLAYER. A perfect partner for Ornette in that regard. Bingo on Bern! And yes, sounds like you have it. I like his concept a whole lot... can't think of too many people who sound like him. And absolutely a perfect partner for Ornette but I was really happy to see him put out his own thing. TRACK NINE - In your face from jump, gotta love that! Bob Brookmeyer? On this kind of a date? Shifts expectations....I like it, it's short and to the point. Yes on Brookmeyer! And @T.D. has ID'd this track. TRACK TEN - Ok, my favorite version of "Blue In Green" is by Archie Shepp, on Venus, and this is not that. I do like what happens after the head, it opens up into its own space. I like that, especially these days. Very disciplined too, in the good way, listening and collaborating instead of imitating. This is a group, not a bunch of pickup pranksters. Much love just for that alone, but there's more due, just for having some courage and, dare I say, vision. I know this one is not for everyone, so I appreciate that you got it. And I see you have nailed the horn player in your comment below. But no Halvorson. TRACK ELEVEN - more fourth-y voicings, shades of Track One! Is that Tyrone Washington? Barbara Donald on trumpet? Sonny Simmons on tenor? These people came to play, that's for sure. I should know it, but I don't, and I should have it, but do I? Is everybody on here still alive? That's a lot of energy.... Correct on Barbara Donald! The more of her playing I hear, the more I wonder why nobody talks about her?? Unbelievable. No Tyrone or Sonny though. TRACK TWELVE - Hmmm....not for me. At least not today. Fair enough! TRACK THIRTEEN - When your car is about as long as your house is wide, you get privileges, Ha! all told, a thoroughly engaging set, engaging and challenging. Much appreciated here! 10 minutes ago, JSngry said: If Barbara Donald, then Burt Wilson? Nope, not Burt... <quickly Googles Burt Wilson!> Quote
JSngry Posted October 5 Report Posted October 5 Barbara Donald was an amazing trumpeter, not just creatively, but technically. Startlingly good. Quote
webbcity Posted October 5 Author Report Posted October 5 2 minutes ago, JSngry said: Barbara Donald was an amazing trumpeter, not just creatively, but technically. Startlingly good. Truly!! Again, shocking to me that her name is so rarely mentioned. Shameful. On 10/2/2024 at 11:57 PM, JSngry said: They were done for Sonny Lester, which means that they've been around the world and back in some fashion. However you find them, make sure you get this one included: Wow. Love this and I love "The Inner Light" too. This is definitely going on the want list. Quote
JSngry Posted October 5 Report Posted October 5 Ok...Gary Hammond? On one of her Cadence Jazz albums? All I remember from those for tenor is Carter Jefferson, and I don't think that's Carter? Quote
webbcity Posted October 5 Author Report Posted October 5 11 minutes ago, JSngry said: Ok...Gary Hammond? On one of her Cadence Jazz albums? All I remember from those for tenor is Carter Jefferson, and I don't think that's Carter? Actually it is Carter! Gary is also on the record but not on this tune. Quote
T.D. Posted October 5 Report Posted October 5 Jim really nailed #4. I sleuthed and thus claim no credit, but full ID at https://tinyurl.com/2e3t9sva Indeed the flautist, who wrote the tune, is not so well known to me, but John Hicks is on electric piano! The tune is not Fancy Free, but is somewhat derivative thereof. Quote
JSngry Posted October 5 Report Posted October 5 7 minutes ago, webbcity said: Actually it is Carter! Gary is also on the record but not on this tune. WHOA!!! Time to revisit those two records. It's been too long... Quote
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