Mccoy Tyner and Joe Henderson live at Slugs Saloon (Blue Note)

[Stompin at the Savoy]

Well maybe the CD sounds better (but somehow I doubt it). I thought for a minute about maybe toning it down with  an equalizer but nah

[soulpope]

5 minutes ago, Stompin at the Savoy said:

Well maybe the CD sounds better (but somehow I doubt it). I thought for a minute about maybe toning it down with  an equalizer but nah

It (also) comes down to personal preferences ....

[Holy Ghost]

22 minutes ago, soulpope said:

Interesting to read this markedly different impressions about bass sound 🧐🤔 ....

So, listening to the bass that bad/unlistenable then? One end of the spectrum says yes, other says no??

[Stompin at the Savoy]

Just now, soulpope said:

It (also) comes down to personal preferences ....

Absolutely agree.  Some may find this perfectly acceptable.  Still I would suggest listening on YouTube or Spotify before  buying.

 

[soulpope]

59 minutes ago, Holy Ghost said:

So, listening to the bass that bad/unlistenable then? One end of the spectrum says yes, other says no??

Being a "bass fetishist" means that not only the artist but also the recording quality/sound is of importance .... but this is (only) me .... btw as part of the "casette recorder generation" this made me get used to meager sound rather early 😎 .... 

[mjazzg]

My first listen, casting from Tidal. I can actually hear both sides of the bass debate. It is audible, less so in the full on quartet passages but very definitely when it breaks down to a piano trio. And yes, it is a bit boomy but that doesn't detract too much for me, I'd rather it that way than thin or non-existent.

Overall I'd say its SQ is one of the better recently discovered live recordings. The music itself is pretty spectacular. I'll be buying this.

 

 

[Niko]

8 hours ago, Holy Ghost said:

So, listening to the bass that bad/unlistenable then? One end of the spectrum says yes, other says no??

for me not, as others said: this is a chance to hear some spectacular Joe Henderson and Jack deJohnette, and to hear them really well; I'm not someone who pays a whole lot of attention to the bass, guess my biggest quibble is that I'd want to hear the piano at bit better at times... but the sound quality is still better to my ears than on any Charlie Parker bootleg I can recall... I wouldn't use it to test a new stereo system.

Edited November 25 by Niko

[clifford_thornton]

7 hours ago, mjazzg said:

My first listen, casting from Tidal. I can actually hear both sides of the bass debate. It is audible, less so in the full on quartet passages but very definitely when it breaks down to a piano trio. And yes, it is a bit boomy but that doesn't detract too much for me, I'd rather it that way than thin or non-existent.

Overall I'd say its SQ is one of the better recently discovered live recordings. The music itself is pretty spectacular. I'll be buying this.

 

 

I have downloaded it on Apple Music and it works fine for me through standalone computer speakers. Excellent set. I'll grab the CDs.

[Gheorghe]

15 hours ago, Niko said:

for me not, as others said: this is a chance to hear some spectacular Joe Henderson and Jack deJohnette, and to hear them really well; I'm not someone who pays a whole lot of attention to the bass, guess my biggest quibble is that I'd want to hear the piano at bit better at times... but the sound quality is still better to my ears than on any Charlie Parker bootleg I can recall... I wouldn't use it to test a new stereo system.

I´m still waiting for it, it was pre-ordered by Serena and will be listenable for me on 14 decembrie when there is my birthday. 
About sound quality: As long as I hear the tenor and Jack deJohnette´s drums well, the world is in ordine for me. 

[felser]

The sound quality does detract from the overall experience, but not in a major way.   Think in terms of equivalency to some of those Left Banke recordings released on 32Jazz.  The bass being so boomy is the main drawback.  The other three instruments are basically clear enough, though not optimal.  But the musical and historical significance of this recording eclipses any of the minor to moderate sound quaility concerns and the relatively elevated price tag.  If you're one of the faithful, you gotta have it, and we are the faithful.

[Lazaro Vega]

This is an unbelievably intense performance by Jack DeJohnette, and with the recent passing of Roy Haynes, that influence couldn't be more top of mind listening to him wail and assail, converse and breath through the nearly half hour long blowing tunes here. In-freaking-credible.

I brought the advance download CDR burn to a local record store, they couldn't believe what they were hearing, ordered 4 of the vinyl version and sold them before they arrived. And they can't get any more. They all went to young buyers.

[HutchFan]

1 hour ago, felser said:

If you're one of the faithful, you gotta have it, and we are the faithful.

Perfect description, felser. 

Jack is ON FIRE.

. . . And everyone in the congregation says, "Amen!"  

 

Edited November 26 by HutchFan

[jlhoots]

18 minutes ago, HutchFan said:

Perfect description, felser. 

Jack is ON FIRE.

. . . And everyone in the congregation says, "Amen!"  

 

Amen. My 2 CD set arrives tomorrow.

[JSngry]

We are the champions.

[Stompin at the Savoy]

4 hours ago, felser said:

The sound quality does detract from the overall experience, but not in a major way.   Think in terms of equivalency to some of those Left Banke recordings released on 32Jazz.  The bass being so boomy is the main drawback.  The other three instruments are basically clear enough, though not optimal.  But the musical and historical significance of this recording eclipses any of the minor to moderate sound quaility concerns and the relatively elevated price tag.  If you're one of the faithful, you gotta have it, and we are the faithful.

I think I may be one of the faithful but I have recently become more choosy about buying recordings that, if I'm honest with myself, I will probably only listen to once, especially considering all the recordings I have by these players that don't suffer from sound quality issues.  Obviously I'm in the minority on this one.

[soulpope]

10 minutes ago, Stompin at the Savoy said:

I think I may be one of the faithful but I have recently become more choosy about buying recordings that, if I'm honest with myself, I will probably only listen to once, especially considering all the recordings I have by these players that don't suffer from sound quality issues.  

Fair point ....

[clifford_thornton]

FWIW, I'm not hearing much of the "out"-ness that was described to me by an early listener of the material on this set (well before it was announced). It's good, though, and I'm glad it is available.

[Dan Gould]

43 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said:

FWIW, I'm not hearing much of the "out"-ness that was described to me by an early listener of the material on this set (well before it was announced).

This is the best endorsement AFAIC.

Not convinced yet on the price. Not the first time I've said I am agnostic.

[JSngry]

Yeah, intense and out are different things.

[felser]

7 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Yeah, intense and out are different things.

Agreed.  To me, McCoy never went overtly "out", even when Trane was pushing him in that direction., but was as intense as anyone.  I saw him live in the 70's, and he would blow away guys as heavy as George Adams on the bandstand.   He plays really well here, Henderson is good, Grimes does what is needed, and DeJohnette's playing is a revelation in this context.  For those who think they won't listen to this more than once, be sure to listen at least the once.   The 28 minutes of "Taking Off" is the money cut for me.

[JSngry]

Not sure what about DeJohnette's playing here is revelatory here in 2024?

[clifford_thornton]

nah, he's in excellent form and that's enough for me, but...

[Holy Ghost]

On 11/25/2024 at 1:32 AM, Holy Ghost said:

So, listening to the bass that bad/unlistenable then? One end of the spectrum says yes, other says no??

I'm quoting myself. Right now, I don't really care, I'm buying this set; for God's sake (telling myself) it's effing Joe, McCoy, Grimes, & DeJohnette. Sold. 

[Stompin at the Savoy]

1 hour ago, Holy Ghost said:

I'm quoting myself. Right now, I don't really care, I'm buying this set; for God's sake (telling myself) it's effing Joe, McCoy, Grimes, & DeJohnette. Sold. 

Well have you listened to it on one of the streaming services like youtube or Spotify ? That would be a great way to know if you're going to like it

[Holy Ghost]

On 11/30/2024 at 12:02 AM, Stompin at the Savoy said:

Well have you listened to it on one of the streaming services like youtube or Spotify ? That would be a great way to know if you're going to like it

You're probably right, but I haven't because I do not subscribe to Spotify, and my computer doesn't have the greatest listening phonics, but I do have a pretty good sound system to play CDs, and I can probably tweak the bass if needed. I am pretty excited about this release, so I don't want to spoil the listening experience; and I've avoided hearing snippets, tracks on YouTube, etc. I have a feeling I will not be returning it, when it's delivered to my house. 🙂