ghost of miles Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 Press release: On November 22, Blue Note Records will release of Forces of Nature: Live at Slugs’, a never-before-issued live recording of jazz legends McCoy Tyner and Joe Henderson leading a stellar quartet with bassist Henry Grimes and drummer Jack DeJohnette at the hallowed lost NYC jazz shrine, Slugs' Saloon, in 1966. The release was produced by Zev Feldman, Jack DeJohnette, and Lydia DeJohnette. Forces of Nature includes an elaborate booklet with rare photos by Francis Wolff, Raymond Ross, and Robert Polillo; plus liner notes by esteemed author and critic Nate Chinen, and interviews and statements with DeJohnette, Jason Moran, Joe Lovano, Joshua Redman, Christian McBride, Nasheet Waits, and Terri Lyne Carrington. Originally recorded by the legendary engineer Orville O’Brien — who recorded classic 1960s jazz albums such as Freddie Hubbard’s The Night of the Cookers, Charles Tolliver’s Music Inc. and Alice Coltrane's Journey in Satchidananda — the tape has been in DeJohnette's personal archives for nearly 60 years. The 2-LP 180g vinyl set is transferred from the original tape reel and mastered by Matthew Lutthans at The Mastering Lab, who also mastered the 2-CD and digital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhatta Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 Very interesting release indeed. What worries me a little is that Orville O'Brien recorded Art Blakey's Live! At Slug's N.Y.C. at the roughly same time at the same venue, but the sound quality is not so good. It's probably better than bootleg, but I wonder how it sounds about this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 Could be great, could be meh. That's the way music/life/jazz works. but this certainly has potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted September 30 Author Report Share Posted September 30 Paging Mark Stryker: some damn tapes have been found! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 Somehow I think that Blue Note has higher standards than the label that issued the pathetic Art Blakey LP, it wasn't anything like the Jazz Messengers, that was complete false advertising by that label. I returned that crappy LP for its several skips and dreadful sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Gray Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 9 hours ago, mhatta said: Very interesting release indeed. What worries me a little is that Orville O'Brien recorded Art Blakey's Live! At Slug's N.Y.C. at the roughly same time at the same venue, but the sound quality is not so good. It's probably better than bootleg, but I wonder how it sounds about this one. "Night Of The Cookers" wasn't very good sound-wise either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranemonk Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 13 hours ago, danasgoodstuff said: Could be great, could be meh. That's the way music/life/jazz works. but this certainly has potential. I'd love to see the setlist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 5 minutes ago, tranemonk said: I'd love to see the setlist... we've been discussing this release for a while now in this thread here: The track list is In 'N Out; We'll Be Together Again; Taking Off; The Believer; Isotope. in there is more information over in that thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted September 30 Author Report Share Posted September 30 2 hours ago, Niko said: we've been discussing this release for a while now in this thread here: The track list is In 'N Out; We'll Be Together Again; Taking Off; The Believer; Isotope. in there is more information over in that thread Thanks--I did a topic search before starting this thread and didn't realize that it was already under discussion in the DeJohnette conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 Endesha Obe -- didn't he disappear ferrying "supplies" over the Gulf of Mexico at one point? Fascinating character, regardless, and he engineered a lot of really interesting records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 16 hours ago, mhatta said: Art Blakey's Live! At Slug's N.Y.C. I really like that one despite the sound quality (and it's certainly listenable). A Jazz Mesengers group with Billy Harper, Julian Priester, and Ronnie Mathews is quite a valuable document, and I'm glad Blakey was trying some advanced sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 29 minutes ago, ghost of miles said: Thanks--I did a topic search before starting this thread and didn't realize that it was already under discussion in the DeJohnette conversation. I agree, it was better hidden than usual... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 https://www.bluenote.com/mccoy-tyner-joe-henderson-forces-of-nature-live-at-slugs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 Sound quality seems ok to me, I will likely buy this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 Sound quality seems fine. I don’t think Blue Note would have picked it up if it wasn’t. Am I the only one hearing that the piano sounds a little out of tune? Haven’t heard it trough good speakers yet I must say so that might be the problem. Promising release. Such a pity there isn’t a version of ‘El Barrio’ on it. That must be one favorite Joe Henderson track (and one of my favorite jazz tracks ever). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 Sounds pretty darn good, far as I’m concerned. Looking forward!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 21 minutes ago, Pim said: Sound quality seems fine. I don’t think Blue Note would have picked it up if it wasn’t. Am I the only one hearing that the piano sounds a little out of tune? Haven’t heard it trough good speakers yet I must say so that might be the problem. Slugs' piano was kinda rough (cf. the Rashied Ali Quintet at Slugs'). It is definitely out of tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 1 hour ago, clifford_thornton said: Slugs' piano was kinda rough (cf. the Rashied Ali Quintet at Slugs'). It is definitely out of tune. Not perfectly in tune — but it’s about 5x better than several Left Bank live recordings I’ve heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 Yeah, it doesn't really bother me at the end of the day. I am more concerned about whether there's non-fill or any other pressing plant bugaboos on the vinyl. The Pookie's set was not manufactured all that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 29 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said: Not perfectly in tune — but it’s about 5x better than several Left Bank live recordings I’ve heard. And 100x better than the Five Spot atrocity Mal Waldron had to wrestle with on those Eric Dolphy albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 I just sampled the upcoming CD online and the recording is far better than that dreadful Art Blakey set LP with Andy Bey. Good separation between the instruments, maybe a touch overmodulated in spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 19 minutes ago, felser said: And 100x better than the Five Spot atrocity Mal Waldron had to wrestle with on those Eric Dolphy albums. oh, but that thing... it had a lot of personality and Mal made it his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 McCoy sounds very restrained, almost Monk-ish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 5 hours ago, clifford_thornton said: oh, but that thing... it had a lot of personality and Mal made it his own. Yes, I have always loved how Mal sounded on that out-of-tune piano. It almost feels like he deliberately worked his solos around the distorted pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 For sure he did! Unforgettable, those solos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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