kh1958 Posted September 26 Report Posted September 26 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/25/arts/music/jack-dejohnette-piano.html Lydia and Joan Clancy, the DeJohnettes’ personal assistant, are currently cataloging and organizing his vast sonic archive, containing decades’ worth of unreleased recordings. One tape from this trove is a turbocharged 1966 live set from the storied East Village venue Slugs’ Saloon that features DeJohnette alongside the pianist McCoy Tyner, the saxophonist Joe Henderson and the bassist Henry Grimes. It will come out on Blue Note in November as “Forces of Nature,” a title chosen, he said, “because everybody’s being pulled and pushing each other to the umpteenth level, and it shows.” Quote
clifford_thornton Posted September 26 Report Posted September 26 Solid piece -- I'll definitely check out that Slugs' quartet date. Hopefully more from the archive makes its way to the surface... maybe even some material from his early Chicago days. Quote
T.D. Posted September 26 Report Posted September 26 Cool, and it's even on Blue Note! Highly curious about what else (eventually) gets released. Quote
AllenLowe Posted September 26 Report Posted September 26 (edited) He growled at me once, but I still like his music. I hit him over the head with a newspaper and he went away. Edited September 26 by AllenLowe Quote
JSngry Posted September 26 Report Posted September 26 I know that Jack's diverse early 70s ECM appearances took him off the "intensity" scale for some people, but that was wrong, just wrong. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 Wonder whose name the 1966 live set on BN will be released under?? Who was the ‘leader’ on the gig, ostensibly? And/or who was still under contact to BN in 1966? — McCoy or Joe? (Would/could that still be a factor in how it’s released today? — in terms of the name it’s under?). I suppose the date of the show could be a factor too — do we have a date yet? — relative to who was under contract until when. My cursory Googling about this — the album title and “Blue Note” came up with absolutely nothing, besides references to this NYT article. Eagerly awaiting more details!!!!! Like… Two sets, or just one?? Just one cd, or two?? Set-list?? Quote
JSngry Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 39 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said: Wonder whose name the 1966 live set on BN will be released under?? etc. Quote
felser Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 3 minutes ago, JSngry said: etc. LOL! BTW, more info, Nov. 22 release date, 2LP/2CD, Zev Feldman involvement along with the DeJohnette's. https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/forces-of-nature-live-at-slugs-tyner-henderson-1966-nov-22-2024-blue-note-release.1210470/ Quote
clifford_thornton Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 4 hours ago, JSngry said: What paper was it? The New York City Jazz Record Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 1 hour ago, JSngry said: etc. How many BN covers had an “etc.” billed instead of a musician’s name? — and were they *all* McCoy? And did any other labels do the same? (And were any of them McCoy too?) Quote
bertrand Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 Considering the tape was sitting in Jack's stash for 60 years, the detective work involved was minimal. Of course, a complete inventory of what else Jack had was quickly established. Quote
soulpope Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 14 minutes ago, bertrand said: Considering the tape was sitting in Jack's stash for 60 years, the detective work involved was minimal. Of course, a complete inventory of what else Jack had was quickly established. Sounds like "more to come" 🧐🤓 .... Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 (edited) This page where I found the cover art also has a track listing (…and btw, the Steve Hoffman link above says it’s 2cds!) https://www.allaboutjazz.com/album/forces-of-nature-live-at-slugs-mccoy-tyner Tracks: In 'N Out; We'll Be Together Again; Taking Off; The Believer; Isotope. “In ‘N Out” and “Isotope” are Joe’s tunes. “We’ll Be Together” is surely the Fischer/Laine standard. There’s a McCoy tune called “The Believer” from an early-1958-recorded session on the 1964 Coltrane album by the same name — and I’m seeing it’s credited to McCoy (I guess that’s right, but 1958? — I thought Trane and McCoy didn’t cross paths on record quite that early, can someone set me right?) I don’t know “Takin’ Off” at all (and nor does Google, with any of the names on this live date). Maybe a spontaneously improvised tune. EDIT: Yeah, it appears “The Believer” was written by McCoy, and recorded by Trane a couple years before they recorded together. https://concord.com/concord-albums/the-believer/ • The title piece was composed by McCoy Tyner, still a teenager at the time and more than two years away from his key role in Coltrane’s working quartet. Edited September 27 by Rooster_Ties Quote
soulpope Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 3 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said: This page where I found the cover art also has a track listing (…and btw, the Steve Hoffman link above says it’s 2cds!) https://www.allaboutjazz.com/album/forces-of-nature-live-at-slugs-mccoy-tyner Tracks: In 'N Out; We'll Be Together Again; Taking Off; The Believer; Isotope. “In ‘N Out” and “Isotope” are Joe’s tunes. “We’ll Be Together” is surely the Fischer/Laine standard. There’s a McCoy tune called “The Believer” from an early-1958-recorded session on the 1964 Coltrane album by the same name — and I’m seeing it’s credited to McCoy (I guess that’s right, but 1958? — I thought Trane and McCoy didn’t cross paths on record quite that early, can someone set me right?) I don’t know “Takin’ Off” at all (and nor does Google, with any of the names on this live date). Maybe a spontaneously improvised tune. EDIT: Yeah, it appears “The Believer” was written by McCoy, and recorded by Trane a couple years before they recorded together. https://concord.com/concord-albums/the-believer/ • The title piece was composed by McCoy Tyner, still a teenager at the time and more than two years away from his key role in Coltrane’s working quartet. Thnx for the research 👏👏 .... Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted September 28 Report Posted September 28 Much better quality picture of the album cover here… https://www.plaidroomrecords.com/products/pre-order-mccoy-tyner-joe-henderson-forces-of-nature-live-at-slugs-release-date-11-22-2024 Quote
JSngry Posted September 28 Report Posted September 28 Is that a reflection of Roy Haynes on the treble end of the piano? Or somebody? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted September 29 Report Posted September 29 On 9/26/2024 at 11:32 PM, Rooster_Ties said: Cover art!! I'm told that the music is really, really intense, and fairly "out" at times. Looking forward to getting a copy. Regarding the "etc.", that was just for contractual reasons until McCoy signed with BN. IIRC anyway. Quote
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