Dan Gould Posted Thursday at 03:14 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 03:14 PM It's been brought to my attention that despite his exceptionally soulful playing, and doing so in an era of so much organ-based soul jazz, Cannonball never recorded with an organist. Thoughts? Observations? Glad it never happened? Enquiring minds want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted Thursday at 05:13 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 05:13 PM 1 hour ago, Dan Gould said: It's been brought to my attention that despite his exceptionally soulful playing, and doing so in an era of so much organ-based soul jazz, Cannonball never recorded with an organist. Thoughts? Observations? Glad it never happened? Enquiring minds want to know. He recorded with a Wurly. Even better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted Thursday at 06:45 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 06:45 PM Riverside did not really embrace organ. And Capitol was looking for other angles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted 12 hours ago Report Share Posted 12 hours ago There were plenty of electric keyboards on his later recordings but no Hammond B3. It was his call, perhaps it had no appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milestones Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago (edited) I see what you're saying, and it may have been intriguing to hear Cannonball in this setting. I am personally not that big a fan of the organ, and the stuff I like best is organ-guitar-drums. Also, did Coltrane or Sonny EVER record with an organist? Did Wayne Shorter? Jackie McLean, once or twice with Jimmy Smith. Joe Henderson, I can't think of anything other than Unity. Edited 10 hours ago by Milestones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted 9 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 9 hours ago @Milestones Henderson appears on Brown Sugar led by Freddie Roach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, Milestones said: I see what you're saying, and it may have been intriguing to hear Cannonball in this setting. I am personally not that big a fan of the organ, and the stuff I like best is organ-guitar-drums. Also, did Coltrane or Sonny EVER record with an organist? Did Wayne Shorter? Jackie McLean, once or twice with Jimmy Smith. Joe Henderson, I can't think of anything other than Unity. Yes but none of those played with the soulful style that Cannonball did which is Dan's original point. The way Adderley plays would seem to fit well with the organ, not necessarily the case with Coltrane, Rollins, Shorter etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milestones Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago Fair enough. As I said, it would have been interesting. Not sure If we will get a definitive answer on why it didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago to my ears, alto just doesn't go together with organ as well as tenor regarding frequencies, sound, pitch, whatever... regarding Coltrane, he did play with Jimmy Smith in 1955, not recorded, and there's also the group pictured here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago Not convinced that alto sax does not fit well with an organ. Think of all the records that Lou Donaldson made with an organ. Also Johnny Hodges too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted 5 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Peter Friedman said: Not convinced that alto sax does not fit well with an organ. Think of all the records that Lou Donaldson made with an organ. Also Johnny Hodges too. This. What really seems rare when I think of it is a trumpet as lead soloist with organ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milestones Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago (edited) And more recently Oliver Lake, as well as Arthur Blythe on a Rodney Jones record. Lake's organ quartet prominently features trumpeter Freddie Hendrix. Edited 5 hours ago by Milestones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago Sonny Cox Sonny Stitt Earl Bostic Charles Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Dan Gould said: What really seems rare when I think of it is a trumpet as lead soloist with organ. Muted trumpet playing in unison with an organ is one of Hugo Montenegro's trademark sounds, as heard on the I Dream of Jeannie theme and More Music from The Man from UNCLE RCA LP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago been there, most of those places... Johnny Hodges and Earl Bostic do not sound like modern altoists, do not sound like Cannonball... in Lou Donaldson's case, I'd say the organ really isn't ideal, soundwise... at least in combination with his alto... but from a bebop-tradition point of view, the line is what counts, you could have a harmonica with a gameboy rhythm section and if the phrases match it's pure bop (and no, Charlie Parker never played harmonica over chords provided by a gameboy; and he did have the most amazing sound... didn't play with organs though, or rarely). Stitt I prefer on tenor, especially when there's an organ behind him and I'd guess he plays more tenor on organ records but I don't have the numbers... what made me doubt was, curiously enough, indeed Sonny Cox... that trio sounds just right. imho it's the exception.... same for the Charles Williams group with Don Pullen. Then again: Take Johnny Griffin's Grab This! It's not a record people talk about much, Griffin is not a tenor player people associate with organ... how many organ records with alto can hold up to this comparison? [not many, I say] Most of the classic organ records have tenor, and that happened for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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