Hardbopjazz Posted Wednesday at 12:19 AM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 12:19 AM https://www.city-journal.org/article/when-heroin-hit-jazz An interesting read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted Wednesday at 12:39 AM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 12:39 AM How come nobody talks about cocaine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted Wednesday at 01:09 AM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 01:09 AM "When heroin hit, jazz’s day was already beginning to fade." "Jazz aficionados constitute a left-leaning community and always have. Thus, the literature tends to treat the jazz-heroin epidemic mainly as a story of racism..." "The 1950s were when jazz truly lost its black audience." City Journal is published by the conservative Manhattan Institute for Policy Research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted Wednesday at 01:26 AM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 01:26 AM Ok, then that makes sense. Not in terms of reality, in terms of inaccuracy presented as fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted Wednesday at 04:59 AM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 04:59 AM Very interesting to read, maybe not everything when it is no more about musicians, but anyway: Since I hear jazz I had known that some of my heroes where heroin addicts, mostly Charlie Parker, and Fats Navarro and of course Billie Holiday. During that time I didn´t know there was so much more of them, since other users had more quiet or lesser glamourous lives and was no books written about them: So I was completly astonished, that persones I had thought that look like sober people, like J.J.Johnson and Tadd Dameron was junkies. I heard about so many others much later, mostly also whitey that I was astonished they became users. Bill Evans always looked like a literature professor and more like one, who goes home and has a quiet home with a lot of books, having tea and stuff...., and........he was a junkey ?!!!!!! About Chet Baker I had not heard until 1978, but then I liked his then actual music (never the Westcoast times). And the greatest shock was, when I learned that even in the recent past there were some of the "young lions" who did drugs. Did not say Art Blakey as early as 1971 that heroin became out of fashion, his youngsters in the Messengers Edition all are sober ? I was shocked that Woody Shaw was a junkey and almost blind. He always looked like a model citizen with all them cover fotos with him, his baby, his dad, but some of the hottest and most fascinating trumpet I ever had heard..... but a tragedy and a shock for me because I didn´t have no idea.....I even didn´t know that he was almost blind, I had thought well he wears eyeglasses like most intelectuals..... and so on.... Now I would not be surprised to read, that even musicians I avoided to listen to (Oscar Peterson, Dave Brubeck) were junkey..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvopedz Posted Wednesday at 11:40 AM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 11:40 AM Take a look at Anita O'Day's autobiography, High Times Hard Times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted Wednesday at 05:25 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 05:25 PM (edited) Count Basie regularly used cocaine. Woody Shaw was also diabetic, which can lead to blindness. Dave Brubeck was straight as they come, though Paul Desmond evidently did some drug experimentation late in his life. Gerry Mulligan had some drug and alcohol abuse issues but was eventually clean. Emily Remler was addicted to heroin and likely died from an overdose at 31. Edited Wednesday at 06:43 PM by Ken Dryden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted Wednesday at 06:45 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 06:45 PM Woody Shaw had retinitis pigmentosa, probably unrelated to diabetes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted Wednesday at 08:39 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 08:39 PM 19 hours ago, sonnymax said: City Journal is published by the conservative Manhattan Institute for Policy Research. ...whose senior fellow is Christopher Rufo. Avoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranemonk Posted yesterday at 11:52 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:52 AM (edited) On 9/18/2024 at 7:40 AM, gvopedz said: Take a look at Anita O'Day's autobiography, High Times Hard Times. I have it somewhere and never got around to reading it. Is it worth it? Hopefully it's less depressing than Art Pepper's book. Edited yesterday at 11:53 AM by tranemonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted yesterday at 12:38 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:38 PM 45 minutes ago, tranemonk said: I have it somewhere and never got around to reading it. Is it worth it? Hopefully it's less depressing than Art Pepper's book. It is, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvopedz Posted yesterday at 02:33 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:33 PM 2 hours ago, tranemonk said: I have it somewhere and never got around to reading it. Is it worth it? Hopefully it's less depressing than Art Pepper's book. You will be reading about heroin and needles on the first page of the book's preface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago bullshit article - not a single citation. And anyone who cites John Lincoln Collier and Ross Russell, two writers whose work was filled with distortions and errors, has not idea what they are talking about. Where is the evidence that Charlie Parker's kid died because he spent all of their money on drugs? Show us the medical records, doctors' reports. This is pure fiction. Shame on this story - and anyone who makes the statement that jazz had no more innovation after the 1960s is unqualified to write about jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago I agree with Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 8 hours ago, sonnymax said: I agree with Allen. Also agree with Allen, but without the smilie I don´t understand😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago On 9/18/2024 at 4:39 PM, Teasing the Korean said: ...whose senior fellow is Christopher Rufo. Avoid. 16 hours ago, sonnymax said: I agree with Allen. Agree. Read Skimmed the article and it was a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 7 hours ago, Gheorghe said: Also agree with Allen, but without the smilie I don´t understand😉 Historically (or is that hysterically), Allen and I rarely agree. Hence the fainting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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