Charlie Haden

[Milestones]

His actual singing voice?  I find it interesting and effective--and in fact preferable to some of the singers he used in his later years.  I know of only two vocals: "Wayfaring Stranger" and "Shenandoah."

[clifford_thornton]

15 hours ago, felser said:

Buell Neidlinger and Denis Charles come immediately to mind for me, followed by Raphe Malik, Ramsey Ameen, and Ronald Shannon Jackson (realize others think more highly of his work).

Ameen is the only one of those players I haven't heard outside of CT. I quite like them all on their own, as well as in the Taylor orbit. Malik is a musician who mined a narrow seam but did it with brilliance and commitment.

[soulpope]

15 hours ago, felser said:

Buell Neidlinger and Denis Charles come immediately to mind for me ....

I believe Steve Lacy was a strong motivator ....

[clifford_thornton]

yep. Buell also had his own bands which were quite interesting, well into the 1990s and early 00s. Beautiful sound on the bass and very creative, not to mention a fascinating raconteur.

Denis Charles reemerged in the loft era and was very active until his death in 1998. Certainly his personal problems created inconsistency but when he was on fire he was definitely on fire. There are numerous recordings that bear this out.

Edited August 17 by clifford_thornton

[soulpope]

7 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said:

yep. Buell also had his own bands which were quite interesting, well into the 1990s and early 00s. Beautiful sound on the bass and very creative, not to mention a fascinating raconteur.

Indeed ....

[Holy Ghost]

On 8/11/2024 at 2:09 PM, clifford_thornton said:

Very hard to choose, but I loved his playing on two tracks of Alan Shorter's Orgasm LP.

Interviewed Haden fairly early on in my jazz writing career and he was incredibly kind and fun to speak with, as well as politically engaged (naturally). I would imagine the LMO being a voice for the voiceless in places like Palestine/Israel, the Congo, and other areas right now, which is desperately needed.

Wow! Track one? That bass line he builds is almost like what you would hear on a Marion Brown ESP album. Don't have the cd in front of me, but Haden is all over Orgasm. But, before then, when I turned into a true Charlie Haden listener, was Ornette's This Is Our Music; it blew me away for one reason: Charlie Haden. I love the sleeve too, where everyone (except Ed Blackwell) looks effing badass serious.

 

 

 

[clifford_thornton]

Haden is on the first and last tracks of Orgasm, and Reggie Johnson is on the rest. 

Not sure on what record he first grabbed me sonically; probably Change of the Century, which was also the first Ornette album I bought. Played it to death in college.

[colinmce]

It was "Street Woman" from Science Fiction for me. Had never heard anything like what he was doing on there before.

[clifford_thornton]

Yes! Heard that a little later, so awesome. He plays a bit like that on the Charles Brackeen, owing somewhat to the choice of amplification I assume.

[soulpope]

Both his duo recordings from the late 70's with either Hampton Hawes "As Long There Is Music" (Artists House) or Christian Escoude "Gitane" (All Life) opened my ears and remained dear to my heart ....

[Holy Ghost]

On 12/1/2024 at 12:41 PM, colinmce said:

It was "Street Woman" from Science Fiction for me. Had never heard anything like what he was doing on there before.

Unique sound, he had. Science Fiction blew me away for many reasons, but the bonus material on the expanded CD edition was really a bonus!

[Gheorghe]

7 hours ago, Holy Ghost said:

Unique sound, he had. Science Fiction blew me away for many reasons, but the bonus material on the expanded CD edition was really a bonus!

I think there was some Ornette Coleman albums that I have read about but that never were available, may it be Sience Fiction, then there was some I think it was called "Chappa Quappa Suite" and so on. Maybe they was on Columbia and usually Columbia cut stuff out from the catalogue as soon as it appeared. 
They had some great jazz artists, but other than Miles who´s albums always was reissued other artists where cut out of their deals....

[clifford_thornton]

Chappaqua Suite. It was on CBS France and also Sony Japan as a double LP, then reissued later (90s) by Columbia Europe. It's great.

Edited Tuesday at 04:11 PM by clifford_thornton

[Gheorghe]

14 hours ago, clifford_thornton said:

Chappaqua Suite. It was on CBS France and also Sony Japan as a double LP, then reissued later (90s) by Columbia Europe. It's great.

Is it some augmented form of the original Ornette Coleman Trio ? 
I heard some stuff I think, where Ornette had augmented his group, especially in the late 60 and shortly before Prime Time. (I loved Prime Time, it was my favourite "jazz rock" beside Miles Davis during that time). 

I think those records were extremly hard to find. It had took me YEARS back then to get together the two LPs of "Golden Circle". BN was dying or disappearing when I started to love jazz in the first half of 1970´s 

[clifford_thornton]

Ornette, Pharoah, Izenzon, Moffett, and an orchestra. 

It wasn't used in the film for which it was originally recorded -- Conrad Rooks' Chappaqua -- but a musician I know screened the film with Ornette's soundtrack dubbed back in and it was a hell of a lot better! 

[medjuck]

I have a 2 cd set of Chappaqua Suite issued by Sony France.  Don't think it was around long. Glad I got it when I could. 

[Chuck Nessa]

3 minutes ago, medjuck said:

I have a 2 cd set of Chappaqua Suite issued by Sony France.  Don't think it was around long. Glad I got it when I could. 

I also have that one.

[mjazzg]

So do I