Milestones Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 His actual singing voice? I find it interesting and effective--and in fact preferable to some of the singers he used in his later years. I know of only two vocals: "Wayfaring Stranger" and "Shenandoah." Quote
clifford_thornton Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 15 hours ago, felser said: Buell Neidlinger and Denis Charles come immediately to mind for me, followed by Raphe Malik, Ramsey Ameen, and Ronald Shannon Jackson (realize others think more highly of his work). Ameen is the only one of those players I haven't heard outside of CT. I quite like them all on their own, as well as in the Taylor orbit. Malik is a musician who mined a narrow seam but did it with brilliance and commitment. Quote
soulpope Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 15 hours ago, felser said: Buell Neidlinger and Denis Charles come immediately to mind for me .... I believe Steve Lacy was a strong motivator .... Quote
clifford_thornton Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 (edited) yep. Buell also had his own bands which were quite interesting, well into the 1990s and early 00s. Beautiful sound on the bass and very creative, not to mention a fascinating raconteur. Denis Charles reemerged in the loft era and was very active until his death in 1998. Certainly his personal problems created inconsistency but when he was on fire he was definitely on fire. There are numerous recordings that bear this out. Edited August 17 by clifford_thornton Quote
soulpope Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 7 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said: yep. Buell also had his own bands which were quite interesting, well into the 1990s and early 00s. Beautiful sound on the bass and very creative, not to mention a fascinating raconteur. Indeed .... Quote
Holy Ghost Posted November 30 Report Posted November 30 On 8/11/2024 at 2:09 PM, clifford_thornton said: Very hard to choose, but I loved his playing on two tracks of Alan Shorter's Orgasm LP. Interviewed Haden fairly early on in my jazz writing career and he was incredibly kind and fun to speak with, as well as politically engaged (naturally). I would imagine the LMO being a voice for the voiceless in places like Palestine/Israel, the Congo, and other areas right now, which is desperately needed. Wow! Track one? That bass line he builds is almost like what you would hear on a Marion Brown ESP album. Don't have the cd in front of me, but Haden is all over Orgasm. But, before then, when I turned into a true Charlie Haden listener, was Ornette's This Is Our Music; it blew me away for one reason: Charlie Haden. I love the sleeve too, where everyone (except Ed Blackwell) looks effing badass serious. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted December 1 Report Posted December 1 Haden is on the first and last tracks of Orgasm, and Reggie Johnson is on the rest. Not sure on what record he first grabbed me sonically; probably Change of the Century, which was also the first Ornette album I bought. Played it to death in college. Quote
colinmce Posted December 1 Report Posted December 1 It was "Street Woman" from Science Fiction for me. Had never heard anything like what he was doing on there before. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted December 1 Report Posted December 1 Yes! Heard that a little later, so awesome. He plays a bit like that on the Charles Brackeen, owing somewhat to the choice of amplification I assume. Quote
soulpope Posted December 2 Report Posted December 2 Both his duo recordings from the late 70's with either Hampton Hawes "As Long There Is Music" (Artists House) or Christian Escoude "Gitane" (All Life) opened my ears and remained dear to my heart .... Quote
Holy Ghost Posted December 2 Report Posted December 2 On 12/1/2024 at 12:41 PM, colinmce said: It was "Street Woman" from Science Fiction for me. Had never heard anything like what he was doing on there before. Unique sound, he had. Science Fiction blew me away for many reasons, but the bonus material on the expanded CD edition was really a bonus! Quote
Gheorghe Posted December 3 Report Posted December 3 7 hours ago, Holy Ghost said: Unique sound, he had. Science Fiction blew me away for many reasons, but the bonus material on the expanded CD edition was really a bonus! I think there was some Ornette Coleman albums that I have read about but that never were available, may it be Sience Fiction, then there was some I think it was called "Chappa Quappa Suite" and so on. Maybe they was on Columbia and usually Columbia cut stuff out from the catalogue as soon as it appeared. They had some great jazz artists, but other than Miles who´s albums always was reissued other artists where cut out of their deals.... Quote
clifford_thornton Posted December 3 Report Posted December 3 (edited) Chappaqua Suite. It was on CBS France and also Sony Japan as a double LP, then reissued later (90s) by Columbia Europe. It's great. Edited December 3 by clifford_thornton Quote
Gheorghe Posted December 4 Report Posted December 4 14 hours ago, clifford_thornton said: Chappaqua Suite. It was on CBS France and also Sony Japan as a double LP, then reissued later (90s) by Columbia Europe. It's great. Is it some augmented form of the original Ornette Coleman Trio ? I heard some stuff I think, where Ornette had augmented his group, especially in the late 60 and shortly before Prime Time. (I loved Prime Time, it was my favourite "jazz rock" beside Miles Davis during that time). I think those records were extremly hard to find. It had took me YEARS back then to get together the two LPs of "Golden Circle". BN was dying or disappearing when I started to love jazz in the first half of 1970´s Quote
clifford_thornton Posted December 4 Report Posted December 4 Ornette, Pharoah, Izenzon, Moffett, and an orchestra. It wasn't used in the film for which it was originally recorded -- Conrad Rooks' Chappaqua -- but a musician I know screened the film with Ornette's soundtrack dubbed back in and it was a hell of a lot better! Quote
medjuck Posted December 4 Report Posted December 4 I have a 2 cd set of Chappaqua Suite issued by Sony France. Don't think it was around long. Glad I got it when I could. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted December 4 Report Posted December 4 3 minutes ago, medjuck said: I have a 2 cd set of Chappaqua Suite issued by Sony France. Don't think it was around long. Glad I got it when I could. I also have that one. Quote
Gheorghe Posted December 5 Report Posted December 5 14 hours ago, clifford_thornton said: Ornette, Pharoah, Izenzon, Moffett, and an orchestra. It wasn't used in the film for which it was originally recorded -- Conrad Rooks' Chappaqua -- but a musician I know screened the film with Ornette's soundtrack dubbed back in and it was a hell of a lot better! That sounds very very interesting. I should try to find it. I love that combination Ornette, Pharoah, Izenzon, Moffet and though I am not a classically trained musician, I´d like to hear some stuff with orchestra. The harmolodic string quartets Coleman wrote, it´s quite amazing stuff.... Quote
Д.Д. Posted December 5 Report Posted December 5 16 hours ago, medjuck said: I have a 2 cd set of Chappaqua Suite issued by Sony France. Don't think it was around long. Glad I got it when I could. Sony Japan version from 2014 is still easily obtainable: https://www.discogs.com/release/13287806-Ornette-Coleman-Chappaqua-Suite Quote
jazzbo Posted December 5 Report Posted December 5 And a Blu-Spec CD2 version from December last year is still in stock. https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/SICJ-30169 Quote
Gheorghe Posted December 5 Report Posted December 5 3 hours ago, Д.Д. said: Sony Japan version from 2014 is still easily obtainable: https://www.discogs.com/release/13287806-Ornette-Coleman-Chappaqua-Suite 3 hours ago, jazzbo said: And a Blu-Spec CD2 version from December last year is still in stock. https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/SICJ-30169 Thank you both ! Quote
soulpope Posted December 5 Report Posted December 5 5 hours ago, Д.Д. said: Sony Japan version from 2014 is still easily obtainable: https://www.discogs.com/release/13287806-Ornette-Coleman-Chappaqua-Suite Excellent sound quality too .... Quote
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