bertrand Posted July 23 Report Share Posted July 23 (edited) Trying to track down all their work together, it is so good. I have: New York Eye and Ear Control Vibrations/Ghosts Hilversum Sessions Jazzhus Montmartre 9/3/64 as part of the Revenant Box There are three radio tracks from 9/10/64 I have as a download. It seems they are combined on two different Hatology CDs, one paired with Hilversum, one paired with 9/3/64. I would consider getting the latter just to have the three tracks, if I can find a reasonably-priced copy. But before I do that, I am wondering if there is any other material out there from their European tour? This French book I have on Don Cherry refers to a date on Philology on 11/5, also from Jazzhus. Has that ever been on CD? I don't even see it in the discographies. Thanks! Edited July 23 by bertrand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted July 23 Report Share Posted July 23 1 hour ago, bertrand said: This French book I have on Don Cherry refers to a date on Philology on 11/5, also from Jazzhus. Has that ever been on CD? I don't even see it in the discographies. Thanks! I believe this is erroneously dated on the Philology LP. It is from 9/26/64, the total of which was released on The Copenhagen Tapes (Ayler)/Copenhagen Live 1964 (hatOLOGY)/European Recordings Autumn 1964 Revisited (ezz-thetics) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted July 23 Author Report Share Posted July 23 OK, so that Autumn 1964 on Ezzthetics has Hilversum, the tracks from 9/10 and tracks from 9/26 which I do not have. But it does not have the tracks from 9/3, or is 9/3 an incorrect date also? I will check song titles later, obviously there is overlap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted July 23 Report Share Posted July 23 9/3 is right. The Copenhagen Tapes has the 6 9/3/64 tracks and the 3 from 9/10/64. https://www.ayler.co.uk/html/copenhagentapes.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted July 23 Author Report Share Posted July 23 (edited) It sounds like 9/26 is an entire session I do not have, so the 2-CD set is worth acquiring since I only have the Hilversum session. That is exactly what I was trying to figure out, if there was any other material elsewhere. Curious as to why the 9/3 date was not included in the 2-CD set. So, to summarize, a hypothetical complete Ayler/Cherry box would include: New York Eye And Ear Control Vibrations/Ghosts Hilversum Sessions Jazzhus 9/3/64 Danish Radio 9/10/64 Jazzhus 9/26/64 There are probably more recordings that have not surfaced... Update: OK, looking at the Revenant Box, which gives 9/3 as the recording date for Jazzhus, the track list is the same as for the 9/26 session and the timings are all very close (Saints is listed as Tune Q). I am pretty sure these are the same session, in which case the CD I need is the 9-track single CD on Hatology. PS: They are also both sidemen on the 11/17/65 Sunny Murray session. Not a big fan of that one. Edited July 23 by bertrand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 (edited) from LORD Discography albert ayler & don cherry [N1499]Add New York Eye and Ear Control New York Eye And Ear Control : Don Cherry (cnt) Roswell Rudd (tb) John Tchicai (as) Albert Ayler (ts) Gary Peacock (b) Sunny Murray (d) Film soundtrack, New York, July 17, 1964 Don's dawn (rr,jt,ay,sm out) ESP-Disk ESP1016, 1016-2 [CD] Ay [AY] - - ITT - - Note: This film soundtrack was made for Michael Snow's film of the same name. Joyce Wieland and Paul Haines were also involved in the film's making, which is a "Walking Woman" production. Each musician is individually filmed, though not playing. (Source : "John Tchicai on disc and tape" by Mike Hames). All above titles also on ESP-Disk 1020-2 [CD] titled "New York Eye And Ear Control". All above titles also on Get Back (It)GET1013 [CD] titled "New York Eye And Ear Control". [A7473]Add Albert Ayler The Copenhagen Tapes : Albert Ayler Quartet : Don Cherry (tp) Albert Ayler (ts) Gary Peacock (b) Sunny Murray (d) Live "Club Montmartre", Copenhagen, Denmark, September 3, 1964 Spirits Ayler (Swd)aylCD-033 [CD] Vibrations - Saints - Mothers - Children - Spirits - Note: All above titles also on Hatology (Swi)665 [CD] titled "Albert Ayler Quartet: Copenhagen Live 1964". All above titles also on Revenant 213 [CD]. [A7476]Add Albert Ayler Vibrations : Don Cherry (cnt) Albert Ayler (ts) Gary Peacock (b) Sunny Murray (d) Copenhagen, Denmark, September 14, 1964 Ghosts (short version) Debut (Dan)DEB144, Arista 1 Children - Holy spirits - Ghosts (long version) - , Franklin Mint GJR097 Vibrations - Mothers - Note: Arista 1 is a disc jockey sampler. The use of the long version of "Ghosts" on Franklin Mint GJR097 is not confirmed. All above titles also on Freedom (G)FCD41000 [CD] titled "Vibrations". All above titles also on Freedom (F)FLP40117, FLP41000, (G)28.461, 162.302, (Jap)PA-9710, Fontana (E)SFJL925, (Eu)688.606ZL, (Jap)SFON7054, Arista/Freedom AL1000, Black Lion (Eu)65601, I Grandi del Jazz (It)GdJ12, Tobacco Road B/2525. [A7477]Add Albert Ayler Albert Ayler : Don Cherry (tp) Albert Ayler (ts) Gary Peacock (b) Sunny Murray (d) Live "Montmartre Club", Copenhagen, Denmark, November 5, 1964 Mothers Philology (It)W88 Children - Holy spirits - Note: See November 3, 1966 for second side of Philology (It)W88. [A7478]Add Albert Ayler The Hilversum Session : Albert Ayler Quartet : Don Cherry (cnt) Albert Ayler (ts) Gary Peacock (b) Sunny Murray (d) Hilversum, The Netherlands, November 9, 1964 Angels Osmosis (Du)6001, Coppens (Du)CCD6001 [CD] The wizard [C.A.C.] (1) - - Ghosts - - Infant happiness - - Spirits - - No name - - Note: (1) The tune played is "The wizard" (ESP-Disk 1002). Coppens (Du)CCD6001 [CD] titled "The Hilversum Session". All above titles also on DIW (Jap)DIW-25009, Hatology (Swi)678 [CD]. [M12473]Add Sunny Murray Sunny's Time Now : Don Cherry (cnt) Albert Ayler (ts) Henry Grimes, Lewis Worrell (b) Sunny Murray (d) Imamu Amiri Baraka (recitation-1) [aka Leroi Jones (recitation-1) ] Brooklyn, NY, mid November 1965 Virtue Jihad 663, DIW (Jap)DIW-355 [CD] Justice (pt 1) - - Justice (pt 2) - - Black art (1) - - The lie DIW (Jap)850925 Note: All titles from Jihad 663 also on DIW (Jap)DIW-25002, 35DIW-14 [CD]. Edited July 24 by romualdo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 (edited) 13 hours ago, colinmce said: I believe this is erroneously dated on the Philology LP. It is from 9/26/64, the total of which was released on The Copenhagen Tapes (Ayler)/Copenhagen Live 1964 (hatOLOGY)/European Recordings Autumn 1964 Revisited (ezz-thetics) The Revenant book discography notes "Don Cherry's presence on this recording casts some doubt on whether it in fact was made during the group's Nov. engagement". Late Oct - early Nov: "Without Don Cherry, Ayler returned to Copenhagen for an engagement that may have been a full week or more, definitely beginning after Oct. 18" The Lord Discography extract (see above) still lists that date also see below from AA UK site https://www.ayler.co.uk/html/liveineurope.html note that Holy Spirits (#3) is actually Vibrations [LP cover of Philology W 88 Click image for large version.] [LP cover of Relyable 001 Click image for large version.] discography [CD cover of Landscape 902 Click image for large version.] ALBERT AYLER LIVE IN EUROPE 1964 - 1966 Tracks 1. Mothers (7:39) 2. Children (8:05) 3. Holy Spirits (8:13) Personnel Albert Ayler (tenor saxophone) Don Cherry (trumpet) Gary Peacock (bass) Sunny Murray (drums) Recording Details September 3, 1964 The recording date given is November 5th. 1964, but these three tracks are taken from the September 3rd session, released in 2002 as The Copenhagen Tapes.) Club Montmartre, Copenhagen Edited July 24 by romualdo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted July 27 Report Share Posted July 27 Just announced: https://first-archive-visit.bandcamp.com/album/1964-recordings-first-visit-completed 1–6 recorded September 3rd, 1964 Live at Club Montmartre, Copenhagen, Denmark 7–9 recorded September 10th, 1964 in Copenhagen, Denmark 10–15 recorded September 14, 1964 in Copenhagen, Denmark 16–21 recorded November 9, 1964 in Hilversum, The Netherland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted July 27 Report Share Posted July 27 34 minutes ago, colinmce said: Just announced: https://first-archive-visit.bandcamp.com/album/1964-recordings-first-visit-completed 1–6 recorded September 3rd, 1964 Live at Club Montmartre, Copenhagen, Denmark 7–9 recorded September 10th, 1964 in Copenhagen, Denmark 10–15 recorded September 14, 1964 in Copenhagen, Denmark 16–21 recorded November 9, 1964 in Hilversum, The Netherland Buried down at the bottom it also says: “A 2-CD issue is announced for September 2024, it should be available at Squidco.com (USA), jazzmessengers.com (Europe), Diskunion.net (Japan), Ajazz & jpc.de(Germany)” — and presumably(?) elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 (edited) 18 hours ago, colinmce said: Just announced: https://first-archive-visit.bandcamp.com/album/1964-recordings-first-visit-completed 1–6 recorded September 3rd, 1964 Live at Club Montmartre, Copenhagen, Denmark 7–9 recorded September 10th, 1964 in Copenhagen, Denmark 10–15 recorded September 14, 1964 in Copenhagen, Denmark 16–21 recorded November 9, 1964 in Hilversum, The Netherland all material previously released (on CD) as far as I can see, some sessions more than once - probably best way if you are interested in download only Most Ayler afficonados will already have this material on some physical medium (CD/LP) I thought this new Hat Hut Series (First Visit Completed) comprised of previously unreleased material FIRST VISIT ARCHIVE OFFERS PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED RECORDINGS OF HISTORIC AND MUSICAL IMPORTANCE https://www.discogs.com/release/933744-Albert-Ayler-The-Copenhagen-Tapes https://www.discogs.com/release/724525-Albert-Ayler-Holy-Ghost https://www.discogs.com/master/1419553-Albert-Ayler-Quartet-Copenhagen-Live-1964 https://www.discogs.com/release/8489603-Albert-Ayler-Quartet-European-Radio-Studio-Recordings-1964 https://www.discogs.com/release/14240374-Albert-Ayler-Quartets-1964-Spirits-To-Ghosts-Revisited https://www.discogs.com/release/3023055-Albert-Ayler-Quartet-The-Hilversum-Session https://www.discogs.com/release/1301010-Albert-Ayler-Quartet-The-Hilversum-Session https://www.discogs.com/release/5996611-Albert-Ayler-And-Don-Cherry-Vibrations Edited July 28 by romualdo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 I agree, it’s a pretty poor and baffling choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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