medjuck Posted July 8 Report Posted July 8 (edited) Ricky Riccardi just announced this on Face Book: https://www.archeophone.com/catalogue/king-oliver-centennial/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR18bXtL46Ti0Rmc_6-NayxkzOKP5AmXksDGHd-bZcpTWdUiiDWp7vcCyH8_aem_bkkrTnhWF5ba4fRvvI_Liw Edited July 8 by medjuck Quote
AllenLowe Posted July 8 Report Posted July 8 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: Whoa now you've got me in suspense because I have Medjuck on ignore. What did he say? If it's about the King Oliver reissue yes, major news. Edited July 8 by AllenLowe Quote
clifford_thornton Posted July 8 Report Posted July 8 I will definitely be scooping this up. It is sure to be an education. Quote
kh1958 Posted July 8 Report Posted July 8 Centennial King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band / Various Artists Add to Cart Centennial will be released on August 30, 2024; order before August 1 for the steepest discount. The 1923 recordings by King Oliver’s working Chicago band are the stuff of legend. Nothing like them had ever been heard on record before, and nothing in jazz would be the same afterward. Here, for the first time, all 37 sides are presented—in release order—on two LPs and two CDs, along with 55 additional tracks (on CDs 3 and 4) that allow us to understand these musical giants not only as innovators but also as products of the acoustic-era recording industry. With all-new restorations and remastering by Richard Martin, these selections have never sounded better. Further, there’s an 80-page book included, where GRAMMY-winning author Ricky Riccardi insightfully tells the story of the relationship between “Papa Joe” Oliver and “Little Louis” Armstrong and gives detailed notes on the tracks. Produced by Archeophone’s Meagan Hennessey and Richard Martin, GRAMMY-winning producers of Lost Sounds. Celebrate the 100th anniversary of these landmark records! List price: $114.95 Sale price: $99.95 OVERVIEW Catalogue number: ARCH 6014 UPC: 860003210093 Original release date: August 30, 2024 Box set features 4 CDs, 2 LPs in a double gatefold, an 80-page hard-bound book and a 22″ by 33″ poster packaged in a hard slipcase In Archeophone’s Jazz, Dance & Blues series Tracks and Sound SamplesAdditional PhotosVideos TRACKLIST: CD 1 (KING OLIVER’S CREOLE JAZZ BAND) 1. Dipper Mouth Blues King Oliver’s Creole Jazz Band 1923 2. Weather Bird Rag King Oliver’s Creole Jazz Band 1923 3. Just Gone King Oliver’s Creole Jazz Band 1923 4. Canal Street Blues King Oliver’s Creole Jazz Band 1923 5. Mandy Lee Blues King Oliver’s Creole Jazz Band 1923 6. I’m Going Away to Wear You Off My Mind King Oliver’s Creole Jazz Band 1923 7. Froggie Moore King Oliver’s Creole Jazz Band 1923 8. Chimes Blues King Oliver’s Creole Jazz Band 1923 9. Snake Rag King Oliver’s Creole Jazz Band 1923 10. Sobbin’ Blues King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 11. Sweet Lovin’ Man King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 12. Dipper Mouth Blues King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 13. Where Did You Stay Last Night? King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 14. High Society Rag King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 15. Snake Rag King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 16. Krooked Blues King Oliver and His Creole Jazz Band 1923 17. Alligator Hop King Oliver and His Creole Jazz Band 1923 18. Zulus Ball King Oliver and His Creole Jazz Band 1923 19. Workingman Blues King Oliver and His Creole Jazz Band 1923 TRACKLIST: CD 2 (KING OLIVER’S CREOLE JAZZ BAND) 1. Jazzin’ Babies Blues King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 2. Chattanooga Stomp King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 3. New Orleans Stomp King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 4. The Southern Stomps (take 1) King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 5. The Southern Stomps (take 2) King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 6. Riverside Blues King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 7. Mabel’s Dream (take 1) King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 8. Mabel’s Dream (take 2) King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 9. London (Café) Blues King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 10. Camp Meeting Blues King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 11. Tears King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 12. Buddy’s Habit King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 13. Working Man Blues King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 14. Riverside Blues King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 15. Room Rent Blues King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 16. I Ain’t Gonna Tell Nobody King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 17. Mabel’s Dream King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 18. Sweet Baby Doll King Oliver’s Jazz Band 1923 BONUS: Non-Oliver flip sides: 19. Choo Choo Blues Art Landry’s Syncopatin’ Six 1923 20. New Orleans Hop Scop Blues Clarence Williams’ Blue Five 1923 21. Dearborn Street Blues Young’s Creole Jazz Band 1923 TRACKLIST: CD 3 (LOUIS’ RECORD COLLECTION) 2. Tell Me Pretty Maiden Sextette from Florodora 1901 3. Semper Fidelis March Sousa’s Band 1906 4. The Holy City Henry Burr ca. 1903 5. Oif’n pripetshok (A Little Fire Burns in the Stove) Naum Coster 1918 6. Flee as a Bird Frederick Wheeler 1911 7. O Didn’t He Ramble Dan W. Quinn 1904 8. Bugle Calls of the United States Army Bugle Calls ca. 1902-04 9. Maple Leaf Rag U.S. Marine Band 1909 10. The Fatal Stone (from Aida) Arthur Pryor and Emile Kenecke, acc. Pryor’s Band 1909 11. Swiss Echo Song (L’Eco) Luisa Tetrazzini 1911 12. Darling Nellie Gray Haydn Quartet 1908 13. A Little Bunch of Shamrocks Edgar Stoddard and Henry Burr 1913 14. Carnival of Venice Herbert L. Clarke 1909 15. High Society Prince’s Military Band 1911 16. Quartet—Bella figlia dell’ amore (from Rigoletto) Amelita Galli-Curci–Flora Perini–Enrico Caruso–Giuseppe de Luca 1917 17. Shout All Over God’s Heaven Fisk University Male Quartette 1915 18. Play that Barbershop Chord Billy Murray & American Quartet 1910 19. That Haunting Melody Al Jolson 1911 20. It’s a Long, Long Way to Tipperary John McCormack & Male Chorus 1914 21. Ballin’ the Jack (Intro. “What It Takes to Make Me Love You, You’ve Got It”) Victor Military Band 1914 22. M’appari (from Martha) Enrico Caruso 1917 23. Ole Miss Rag Handy’s Orchestra of Memphis 1917 24. Clarinet Marmalade Blues Original Dixieland Jazz Band 1918 25. The Moon Shines on the Moonshine Bert Williams 1919 26. Darktown Court Room Shelton Brooks & Co. 1921 TRACKLIST: CD 4 (JOE’S JAZZ KINGDOM) 1. Don’t Take Away Those Blues Flo Bert 1920 2. Avalon (Intro. “The Japanese Sandman”) Art Hickman’s Orchestra 1920 3. Wang-Wang Blues Paul Whiteman and His Ambassador Orchestra 1920 4. Royal Garden Blues Mamie Smith’s Jazz Hounds 1921 5. St. Louis Blues Original Dixieland Jazz Band (vocal: Al Bernard) 1921 6. Wabash Blues Isham Jones Orchestra (laughing cornet: Louis Panico) 1921 7. Frisco Jazz Band Blues Ethel Waters’ Jazz Masters 1921 8. Bugle Blues Johnny Dunn’s Original Jazz Hounds 1921 9. My Honey’s Lovin’ Arms Levy’s Trio 1922 10. I’m Going Away to Wear You Off My Mind Original Memphis Five 1922 11. Hot Lips Specht’s Society Serenaders 1922 12. Krooked Blues Roberta Dudley, acc. Ory’s Sunshine Orchestra 1922 13. That Sweet Something Dear Ruth Lee, acc. Ory’s Sunshine Orchestra 1922 14. I Wish I Could Shimmy Like My Sister Kate The Georgians 1922 15. Panama Friars Society Orchestra 1922 16. Buddy’s Habits Charley Straight and His Orchestra 1923 17. Jazzin’ Babies Blues Eva Taylor (acc. Clarence Williams’ Trio) 1923 18. Play That Thing Ollie Powers’ Harmony Syncopators 1923 19. Sobbin’ Blues Art Kahn’s Orchestra 1923 20. The Black Sheep Blues Midway Dance Orchestra 1923 21. Barney Google Original Capitol Orchestra 1923 22. You Ernest Stevens’ Dance Orchestra 1923 23. London Blues Jelly Roll Morton’s Jazz Band 1923 24. Ringside Blues Greenwich Village Orchestra 1923 25. Old Black Joe’s Blues Henderson’s “Club Alabam’” Orchestra 1923 26. When the Jazz Band Starts to Play Thomas Morris’ Past Jazz Masters 1923 Quote
miles65 Posted July 10 Report Posted July 10 Pre ordered it. And ordered the Ford Dabney 2 CD set as well. Quote
John L Posted July 10 Report Posted July 10 (edited) Well, all 37 sides have been released before 100s of times. When they say that they are releasing them for the first time, the catch would appear to be "in release order." That is to be distinguished from previous releases that usually follow chronological order. It is difficult to imagine that they will be able to improve on the extraordinary sound quality of the Archeophone Records release from 2006. I have the vast majority of the other music presented here as well. While it is interesting how they compiled it, I don't think that the sequencing on discs 3 & 4 will make for frequent play. I would have much preferred including King Oliver's other great recordings instead. Those could use some good new remastering. And the price is quite hefty. This is the kind of package that I would usually grab right away, but I think that I may pass this time. John Edited July 10 by John L Quote
hbbfam Posted July 10 Report Posted July 10 I would be curious to listen to this for its historical value. I wouldn't expect this to get frequent play. But, alas, no CD only option apparently. Quote
mikeweil Posted July 10 Report Posted July 10 2 minutes ago, hbbfam said: But, alas, no CD only option apparently. This, plus the expected high import fees if I order from them directly will keep me from ordering this for now. Quote
EKE BBB Posted July 11 Report Posted July 11 19 hours ago, John L said: Well, all 37 sides have been released before 100s of times. When they say that they are releasing them for the first time, the catch would appear to be "in release order." That is to be distinguished from previous releases that usually follow chronological order. It is difficult to imagine that they will be able to improve on the extraordinary sound quality of the Archeophone Records release from 2006. I have the vast majority of the other music presented here as well. While it is interesting how they compiled it, I don't think that the sequencing on discs 3 & 4 will make for frequent play. I would have much preferred including King Oliver's other great recordings instead. Those could use some good new remastering. And the price is quite hefty. This is the kind of package that I would usually grab right away, but I think that I may pass this time. John I couldn’t agree more, John. A “complete Oliver-led sessions” boxed set would have been much more welcomed. Note in the blurb that Archeophone specifies that their involvement on the 2006 release was only as a distributor (allegedly it was an Off-The-Record product, iirc with sound restoration by David Sager). In addition, the “compulsory” 4CD + 2LP package seems awkward to me. Having said that, I am a great admirer of Ricky Riccardi’s work, and am looking forward to his third book on Satchmo. 😀 Quote
miles65 Posted July 11 Report Posted July 11 (edited) These recordings are now in the public domain in the USA because they are a 100 years old. Yes they have been reissued umpteen times. but with the addition of recordings influenced by Oliver and recordings from Armstrongs own collection makes this a must have for me. The rest of King Olivers recordings are not in the public domain in the USA. Therefore Archeophone can not issue them. And moste are electronically recorded and thus outside the scope of Archeophone. They are available from the Frog label: DGF 34 King Oliver Vocalion & Brunswick recordings volume 1 Sugarfoot stomp DGF 35 King Oliver Vocalion & Brunswick recordings volume 2 Farewell blues DGF 64 The complete Victor recordings volume 1 Call of the freaks DGF 65 The complete Victor recordings volume 2 New Orleans shout DGF 68 King Oliver Blues singers & hot bands on Okeh 1924-1929 Three missing alternate takes are on: DGF 71 Frog spawn the first batch These CD's do not contain the 2 sides with Jelly Roll Morton and the accompaniment by Oliver and 2 Ida Cox sides on Paramount. The duets with Jelly Roll Morton are on Jazz Oracle BDW 8065 Jelly Roll Morton rarities. Edited July 12 by miles65 typo and small addition Quote
mjzee Posted July 12 Report Posted July 12 On 7/10/2024 at 3:41 PM, John L said: Well, all 37 sides have been released before 100s of times. When they say that they are releasing them for the first time, the catch would appear to be "in release order." That is to be distinguished from previous releases that usually follow chronological order. It is difficult to imagine that they will be able to improve on the extraordinary sound quality of the Archeophone Records release from 2006. I have the vast majority of the other music presented here as well. While it is interesting how they compiled it, I don't think that the sequencing on discs 3 & 4 will make for frequent play. I would have much preferred including King Oliver's other great recordings instead. Those could use some good new remastering. And the price is quite hefty. This is the kind of package that I would usually grab right away, but I think that I may pass this time. John This pretty much says it all. I have the Archeophone release, which we were told were speed-corrected and in the best possible fidelity. That would leave two discs and a book for $100. I can wait for someone to give it to me as a gift (which probably won't happen). Quote
jazzbo Posted August 26 Report Posted August 26 I haven't delved into this yet, but it has arrived and just from the physical object itself in hand I know it will be magnificent. Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted August 29 Report Posted August 29 Does anyone else hear the Oliver band with Armstrong as funk? Sounds to me more like the JBs, etc. than like any modern jazz band. Not that that's a bad thing... just wondering. Quote
exponent_of_sock Posted December 5 Report Posted December 5 (edited) On 7/10/2024 at 3:41 PM, John L said: Well, all 37 sides have been released before 100s of times. When they say that they are releasing them for the first time, the catch would appear to be "in release order." That is to be distinguished from previous releases that usually follow chronological order. It is difficult to imagine that they will be able to improve on the extraordinary sound quality of the Archeophone Records release from 2006. John The 2006 release is very much a product of its time, and the sound quality was pretty mediocre even for that time--largely becuase a lot of the transfers were made in suboptimal conditions and also because restoration of acoustical recordings is a craft that few fully understand. Doug Benson did a pretty good job, but I don't think there were many people back then who really did the intensive study needed to maximize the acoustical sound. There are all kinds of peaks and valleys that are much easier to address nowadays with spectral restoration software. Rich Martin, the restoration engineer for Archeophone, on the other hand, has been working exclusively (I think) with acousticals for decades and is on the cutting edge. This entire set is head-and-shoulders above any prior release--extremely listenable, even to modern ears. Hardly any resonances to be found, and he maximizes the signal-to-noise ratio with virtually the minimum possible spurious shellac noises. It's hard to overstate how much work it is to restore an acoustical recording. Even the clean ones are filled with clicks and noises that click removers can't transparently address and require dozens of hours of manual cleanup. Even as someone who loves doing it, it's excrutiating work. As someone who has spent a lot of time studying acoustical recordings myself as something between a hobby and a serious pursuit (I'd do a lot more of it if I didn't have a day job and a toddler), I only have a few minor differences with Rich's mastering, and some of this may be subjective, and I mean these criticisms in the most constructive way possible: I think on a few sides, there's more bass to be brought out, especially those with bass saxophone. It's a delicate balance, because the bass is buried in shellac noise and it's hard not to bring a bit of rumbly noise along with it. Having a few raw transfers of clean King Oliver records, I also prefer a bit more bass and rhythm and a bit less shreiky lead horn. Bringing out the high frequencies too much can bring out some of the horn resonances. Still, though, I'd grade the 2006 release as ~6/10 and this as no worse than 8.5/10. The entire package you get here makes this a must-have. Ricky's notes are essential, and the supplemental CDs are illuminating. Edited December 5 by exponent_of_sock Quote
ghost of miles Posted December 5 Report Posted December 5 34 minutes ago, exponent_of_sock said: The 2006 release is very much a product of its time, and the sound quality was pretty mediocre even for that time--largely becuase a lot of the transfers were made in suboptimal conditions and also because restoration of acoustical recordings is a craft that few fully understand. Doug Benson did a pretty good job, but I don't think there were many people back then who really did the intensive study needed to maximize the acoustical sound. There are all kinds of peaks and valleys that are much easier to address nowadays with spectral restoration software. Rich Martin, the restoration engineer for Archeophone, on the other hand, has been working exclusively (I think) with acousticals for decades and is on the cutting edge. This entire set is head-and-shoulders above any prior release--extremely listenable, even to modern ears. Hardly any resonances to be found, and he maximizes the signal-to-noise ratio with virtually the minimum possible spurious shellac noises. It's hard to overstate how much work it is to restore an acoustical recording. Even the clean ones are filled with clicks and noises that click removers can't transparently address and require dozens of hours of manual cleanup. Even as someone who loves doing it, it's excrutiating work. As someone who has spent a lot of time studying acoustical recordings myself as something between a hobby and a serious pursuit (I'd do a lot more of it if I didn't have a day job and a toddler), I only have a few minor differences with Rich's mastering, and some of this may be subjective, and I mean these criticisms in the most constructive way possible: I think on a few sides, there's more bass to be brought out, especially those with bass saxophone. It's a delicate balance, because the bass is buried in shellac noise and it's hard not to bring a bit of rumbly noise along with it. Having a few raw transfers of clean King Oliver records, I also prefer a bit more bass and rhythm and a bit less shreiky lead horn. Bringing out the high frequencies too much can bring out some of the horn resonances. Still, though, I'd grade the 2006 release as ~6/10 and this as no worse than 8.5/10. The entire package you get here makes this a must-have. Ricky's notes are essential, and the supplemental CDs are illuminating. Much appreciation for this detailed write-up, and I also agree that the entire package is pretty much a must-have for anybody who's a fan of these recordings. Ricky Riccardi did a great job with the notes (really looking forward to his final Armstrong biography volume, which comes out in February and covers this period of Armstrong's life and career). Quote
medjuck Posted December 5 Author Report Posted December 5 I didn't expect the sonics to be so much better than the Off the Record release and in fact probably wouldn't have ordered the set were it not for the extra cds of music that Pops and King Oliver might have heard. They turned out to be even more interesting than I expected. Quote
exponent_of_sock Posted December 5 Report Posted December 5 Not to toot my own horn too much, but I invite listeners to compare the restorations on the various King Oliver reissues to these--they're very different than those on the Off The Record and Centennial sets. I really like how these turned out--they have real body and depth. As I mentioned, there's a lot of bass on these records that is very difficult to bring out. I have one of the world's top 78 restoration studios but unfortuately very little free time! I guess that's how one is available to afford such extravagences. Quote
AllenLowe Posted December 5 Report Posted December 5 3 hours ago, ghost of miles said: Much appreciation for this detailed write-up, and I also agree that the entire package is pretty much a must-have for anybody who's a fan of these recordings. Ricky Riccardi did a great job with the notes (really looking forward to his final Armstrong biography volume, which comes out in February and covers this period of Armstrong's life and career). your work as posted here is extraordinary. I haven't compared it to the Archeophone, but one thing I did notice with that set was that the EQ could have been improved (which I was able to do myself with relative ease). Please consider doing more of these. Quote
AllenLowe Posted December 5 Report Posted December 5 2 hours ago, exponent_of_sock said: Not to toot my own horn too much, but I invite listeners to compare the restorations on the various King Oliver reissues to these--they're very different than those on the Off The Record and Centennial sets. I really like how these turned out--they have real body and depth. As I mentioned, there's a lot of bass on these records that is very difficult to bring out. I have one of the world's top 78 restoration studios but unfortuately very little free time! I guess that's how one is available to afford such extravagences. whoops, wrong citation - see what I said, above. Quote
ghost of miles Posted December 12 Report Posted December 12 (edited) Possibly already noted elsewhere, but there’s an interesting teaser for Ricky Riccardi’s upcoming young-Louis bio in the booklet for this Gennett set. In mentioning Armstrong’s legendary July 4, 1900 birthday and his supposedly correct birth date of August 4, 1901, Riccardi adds that “my evidence points to July 4, 1901.” So perhaps Louis was a July 4 baby after all—and let the debate begin as to whether or not 1901 marked the true first year of the 20th century. (I’ll just be on my way now.) Anyway, excited to read the book itself, which will be out the first week of February. Sounds as if he was able to draw on a lot of previously-untapped sources (like Lil Hardin Armstrong’s unfinished memoirs, which had not surfaced before, correct?) that will give us an expanded perspective of Armstrong in his youth. And Riccardi writes so well about Armstrong and his music in general. Edited December 12 by ghost of miles Quote
mikeweil Posted Friday at 09:59 AM Report Posted Friday at 09:59 AM On 7/8/2024 at 7:07 PM, kh1958 said: Centennial King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band / Various Artists Add to Cart Centennial will be released on August 30, 2024; order before August 1 for the steepest discount. The 1923 recordings by King Oliver’s working Chicago band are the stuff of legend. Nothing like them had ever been heard on record before, and nothing in jazz would be the same afterward. Here, for the first time, all 37 sides are presented—in release order—on two LPs and two CDs, along with 55 additional tracks (on CDs 3 and 4) that allow us to understand these musical giants not only as innovators but also as products of the acoustic-era recording industry. With all-new restorations and remastering by Richard Martin, these selections have never sounded better. Further, there’s an 80-page book included, where GRAMMY-winning author Ricky Riccardi insightfully tells the story of the relationship between “Papa Joe” Oliver and “Little Louis” Armstrong and gives detailed notes on the tracks. Produced by Archeophone’s Meagan Hennessey and Richard Martin, GRAMMY-winning producers of Lost Sounds. Celebrate the 100th anniversary of these landmark records! List price: $114.95 Sale price: $99.95 OVERVIEW Catalogue number: ARCH 6014 UPC: 860003210093 Original release date: August 30, 2024 Box set features 4 CDs, 2 LPs in a double gatefold, an 80-page hard-bound book and a 22″ by 33″ poster packaged in a hard slipcase In Archeophone’s Jazz, Dance & Blues series This is now available from JPC at € 166,99 - too expensive for me. Quote
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