Ken Dryden Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 (edited) The Nat King Cole definitely has an inflated price compared to its Discogs sale history. Mosaic was authorized to press 10,000 copies. The Mosaic boxed set market is like other collectables, many of them are thinly traded so if you want to sell them quickly, as when liquidating an estate, you might not even get what they have sold for on average. That said, the Maynard Ferguson has been selling for $400 to $500 and more for some time. I get the idea that Mosaic didn't come close to selling their allotment before their license deal expired. Years ago I was in Jazz Record Center in NYC and Fred Cohen had all three volumes of the Commodore Recordings priced as a set for $2400. Since then I've seen both the Cole and a single volume of the Commodore set sell for under $200 on ebay. Anytime I have anything to auction, I feel that I need to set a floor price to protect my investment. I bought a long out of print Japan-only Clark Terry LP for $1.99 plus shipping from Japan, there were no other bids. It easily should have fetched $20 or more. Edited June 12 by Ken Dryden Typos fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 11 minutes ago, medjuck said: How do you find the prices paid? If you log into discogs, price history w. graph is available. Not sure about eBay...I think some price info might have been available years ago, but the multitude of ridiculously high eBay offers has reduced the signal/noise ratio to such an extent that I pay almost no attention to the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 Maynard's fan base is different than that of most subjects of Mosaic sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 I remember the "old days" (10-20 years ago) when sets by Andrew Hill and Larry Young were going for $300-400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stompin at the Savoy Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 The lower prices in the last few years have enabled me to go on a big spree of buying many of the Mosaics I missed along the way. The prices have varied and a few were quite dear but on average I've been paying approximately the same as the original prices of the sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 (edited) 6 hours ago, medjuck said: How do you find the prices paid? On eBay, it’s an option in the filters. You can see completed items (which includes unsold) and sold items. The info on sold items doesn’t stay there forever, maybe three months. 6 hours ago, T.D. said: If you log into discogs, price history w. graph is available. Not sure about eBay...I think some price info might have been available years ago, but the multitude of ridiculously high eBay offers has reduced the signal/noise ratio to such an extent that I pay almost no attention to the site. If you don’t keep an eye on it you can miss deals. Not that long ago I purchased the Woody Shaw for $50. Edited June 12 by Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 (edited) I keep seeing mentions of the Ferguson set as being sooo expensive, but is an average of $275 - $350 that expensive for a 14LP or 10CD set that's a thirty-year old Mosaic? Edited June 12 by rostasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 13 minutes ago, rostasi said: I keep seeing mentions of the Ferguson set as being sooo expensive, but is an average of $275 - $350 that expensive for a 14LP or 10CD set that's a thirty-year old Mosaic? One sold on eBay in April for $150 so go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 5 hours ago, BFrank said: I remember the "old days" (10-20 years ago) when sets by Andrew Hill and Larry Young were going for $300-400 I bought my copy of the Larry Young box used, soon after it went oop, for less than the original price. Sometimes I think I should have kept some Japanese pressings, as I could sell them now at much higher prices. You never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 (edited) 5 hours ago, Brad said: On eBay,... If you don’t keep an eye on it [eBay] you can miss deals. Not that long ago I purchased the Woody Shaw for $50. Yeah, I know, but it got to be too time-consuming. And my recent collecting interests are practically disjoint from the Mosaic catalog. But with these price trends I'll have to start making occasional surveys. 🤔 Edited June 12 by T.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 Valuable to me was the Andrew Hill Select that compiled all(?) of the remaining unissued studio dates. I burnt them into single CDs (by session) and had a blast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 (edited) On 6/11/2024 at 4:34 AM, medjuck said: And would my Neidlinger/Taylor signed by Buell be worth even more? Steve Lacy signed my box - value added? On 6/12/2024 at 3:04 AM, medjuck said: Yes! The Ellington and Goodman estates have been especially difficult to deal with and in the case of Goodman it's meant that some great Prez is not being issued because Goodman is on the cuts. In fact a large percentage of the collection is devoted to Goodman whose estate is keeping it from being heard. I listened to those Prez/Goodman tracks when I visited the Jazz Museum in Harlem back in 2017 Edited June 13 by romualdo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 On 6/12/2024 at 6:09 AM, JSngry said: Maynard's fan base is different than that of most subjects of Mosaic sets. Amazing. How would you characterize that "fan base"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Devoted to Maynard's trumpet "machismo". There's a lot more to that Roulette box music than the high notes (a lot more), but that's not what keeps the price high. No pun intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 42 minutes ago, JSngry said: Devoted to Maynard's trumpet "machismo". There's a lot more to that Roulette box music than the high notes (a lot more), but that's not what keeps the price high. No pun intended. Thanks. At any rate, looks like the Message from Newport and his Newport Suite (plus helpings from his EmArcy catalog and his Birdland Dream Bands on Vik) will do (not just "have to do") for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 The Speedway or whatever it's called record was a very pleasant surprise for me, the writing is very inventive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter_phx Posted June 13 Author Report Share Posted June 13 On 6/11/2024 at 9:09 PM, JSngry said: Maynard's fan base is different than that of most subjects of Mosaic sets. I can agree with this statement only if you're referring to trumpet players trying to imitate what they hear on this set. IMHO, most of the writing is well done and the band has some really good players doing their thing. True, most of the listeners aren't going to like the piano boxes but that's okay. I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stompin at the Savoy Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 (edited) Check it out https://archive.org/details/CompleteRouletteRecordingsoftheMaynardFergusonOrchestra_201904 Edited June 13 by Stompin at the Savoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 20 minutes ago, Stompin at the Savoy said: Check it out https://archive.org/details/CompleteRouletteRecordingsoftheMaynardFergusonOrchestra_201904 Thank you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stompin at the Savoy Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 Some of that Ferguson stuff is a little over-powering: every possible box checked and soloists taking it up to 11. No negative, open space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 The difference is that that band had an honest 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 I am a bit surprised that the Stuff Smith Mosaic set doesn't sell for more. Mosaic had to quit offering it before their lease was up due to some contract issue. I guess he is too much of a fringe artist for jazz collectors today. Of all the high priced Mosaic Vinyl, the only one I bought was the Miles Davis Plugged Nickel when it was initially issued. I don't think the Columbia/Legacy box was out at the time. It is hard to justify paying premium prices for vinyl sets when I have the music on easier to use CDs. Maybe the next new thread idea: At what age do you plan to stop acquiring music and start selling it, if you don't have any heirs who would want it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 I paid the most for the three Commodore sets, though I got a great deal buying all three, previously unplayed, at once. They were somehow lacking the books, but I had bought those from Mosaic at 10 dollars a pop a few years beforehand. I value these sets HIGHLY. Just amazing music, in excellent sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzkrow Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 11 hours ago, Ken Dryden said: I am a bit surprised that the Stuff Smith Mosaic set doesn't sell for more. Mosaic had to quit offering it before their lease was up due to some contract issue. I guess he is too much of a fringe artist for jazz collectors today. Of all the high priced Mosaic Vinyl, the only one I bought was the Miles Davis Plugged Nickel when it was initially issued. I don't think the Columbia/Legacy box was out at the time. It is hard to justify paying premium prices for vinyl sets when I have the music on easier to use CDs. Maybe the next new thread idea: At what age do you plan to stop acquiring music and start selling it, if you don't have any heirs who would want it? That is the huge question... When to sell our large mosaic collection, when we have no heirs that would have interest? That's certainly is suitable for another topic for input. A sad decision for us to make, when it took so much time and effort to build up our collection... What are people thinking here regarding this tough topic to consider..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 I've sold some Mosaic sets after ripping the music and taking some notes from the booklets. Honestly, it was pretty satisfying to have them gone from the shelves and into the hands of folks who had interest in the music. I've come to dislike the size of these boxes and have held off buying several of them due to the space they take up. I do like the booklets and the corresponding size of the photos in them. I kind of wish Mosaic could publish volumes of just the booklets into several editions but I'm sure there's licensing issues there. I think the majority of these sets will tank in value in the next 5 to 10 years, save some small percentage of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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