Dan Gould Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 Offered up to find out what other musicians say to this Quote
Dan Gould Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 10 minutes ago, JSngry said: I think he's explaining himself. But then wouldn't it be succincter to say "rip off George Coleman"? Quote
sgcim Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 On 3/17/2024 at 1:28 PM, Dan Gould said: Offered up to find out what other musicians say to this I'm glad someone's saying it. Thanks for posting it! Quote
Rabshakeh Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 If you aren't playing changes then you are just playing random sounds and the audience hates it. Quote
Dan Gould Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 5 hours ago, sgcim said: I'm glad someone's saying it. Thanks for posting it! What I was hoping for discussion on was his aversion to "telling a story" in a solo. Pres liked that. EA ain't Pres. What's the significance to musicians and others? And BTW I am pretty sure I have heard a ton of EA solos where he "gets angry" by the end. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 Dan - Maybe it's just me, but it seems like you're fishing for some anti-Eric Alexander sentiments here. I don't feel like playing that game. This video is about a new improv course Alexander is selling to beginners based on his years of teaching the subject. Of course his basic premise is going to be "Play changes", as it is pretty good advice for beginners. Quote
Dan Gould Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Kevin Bresnahan said: Dan - Maybe it's just me, but it seems like you're fishing for some anti-Eric Alexander sentiments here. I don't feel like playing that game. This video is about a new improv course Alexander is selling to beginners based on his years of teaching the subject. Of course his basic premise is going to be "Play changes", as it is pretty good advice for beginners. Kevin: It's entirely you. I posted because I have been getting EA videos on FB and YT feeds, and been struck by much of what he says. What struck me most is the dissing of "telling a story" and the implicit contrast with Pres. I think that is a legit question for discussion, however it goes. As for the purpose of what he is selling its very clear that this approach, even if geared for "beginners" (which I do not think is his only market anyway) is his approach. So, play changes, don't tell a story. (BTW I finally put together that you mentioned that you are more or less retired, and you've put your screen name back. So I guess using your name is OK again.) Edited March 19 by Dan Gould Quote
JSngry Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 If you have a story to tell, tell it with whatever tools get it told. If you don't have a story to tell...nothing to stop you from having a career anyway. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 (edited) 5 hours ago, Dan Gould said: Kevin: It's entirely you. I posted because I have been getting EA videos on FB and YT feeds, and been struck by much of what he says. What struck me most is the dissing of "telling a story" and the implicit contrast with Pres. I think that is a legit question for discussion, however it goes. As for the purpose of what he is selling its very clear that this approach, even if geared for "beginners" (which I do not think is his only market anyway) is his approach. So, play changes, don't tell a story. If you're not looking trying for a negative spin, then why the "rip off George Coleman" comment? I guess in your eyes that's a compliment? Edited March 19 by Kevin Bresnahan Quote
Dan Gould Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, Kevin Bresnahan said: If you're not looking trying for a negative spin, then why the "rip off George Coleman" comment? I guess in your eyes that's a compliment? Answer to Sangrey's comment "I think he's explaining himself". Also punctuated by a winkie. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 5 hours ago, Dan Gould said: (BTW I finally put together that you mentioned that you are more or less retired, and you've put your screen name back. So I guess using your name is OK again.) I left a job where I had to get a clearance and I was told to minimize my social footprint for that. Now that I am no longer in that job, I can go back to using my name. Quote
sgcim Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 9 hours ago, Dan Gould said: What I was hoping for discussion on was his aversion to "telling a story" in a solo. Pres liked that. EA ain't Pres. What's the significance to musicians and others? And BTW I am pretty sure I have heard a ton of EA solos where he "gets angry" by the end. I remember the story about Pres being asked what he thought of some musician playing some fast, technical solo, and then asking the player, ""Yes Lady, but can you sing me a song?" I always liked that one. Quote
JSngry Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 9 hours ago, Dan Gould said: And BTW I am pretty sure I have heard a ton of EA solos where he "gets angry" by the end. Me too! Quote
Ken Dryden Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 My favorite was a musician asking Lester Young the last time they had played together, with Lester replying, "Tonight." Quote
sonnymax Posted April 1 Report Posted April 1 On 3/19/2024 at 12:50 AM, Rabshakeh said: If you aren't playing changes then you are just playing random sounds and the audience hates it. Quote
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