Monk Alone question

[nmorin]

If someone has their "Monk Alone - The Complete Solo Studio Recordings 1962-1968" handy, could you give the recording dates (and master numbers, if available) for the tracks on the second disc?

Thanks SO much!

[John L]

Disc 2 is almost all alternates. The master numbers are the same as for the released versions.

1) Round Midnight 11/19/68

2) Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea 1/10/67

3) This is My Story, This is My Song 11/14/66

4) Introspection 3/2/65

5) Darn That Dream 3/2/65

6) Body and Soul 10/31/62

7) Body and Soul 11/1/62

8) Don't Blame Me 2/27/63

9) I Love You Sweetheart of All of Dreams 10/6/64

10) Sweet and Lovely 10/31/64

11) Everything Happens to Me 10/31/64

12) Everything Happens to Me 10/31/64

13) I hadn't Anyone Till You 11/2/64

14) Dinah 11/2/64

15) I'm Confessin 11/2/64

16) Ask Me Now 2/23/65

17) Everything Happens to Me 2/23/65

18) Introspection 3/2/65

19) Ruby, My Dear 3/2/65

Edited April 5, 2004 by John L

[Leeway]

John L, where is that picture in your avatar from? Never seen it before. Do you know who is the photographer?

[garthsj]

John L, where is that picture in your avatar from?  Never seen it before.  Do you know who is the photographer?

Leeway and John L. -- please forgive me for being presumptuous and jumping in here to provide the answer. It is a coincidence that last night, while searching for a Riverside series of covers that I had posted about in another thread, I came across this particular photograph. I, too, had enjoyed John L.'s avatar, and therefore took some delight in finding it. The photographer is Herman Leonard, who is most famous for doing most of the jazz covers for Emarcy Records (Cannonball, Brownie, Sarah Vaughan, etc). He also did many covers for the French label Barclay, which is where this picture comes from.

There are several Herman Leonard sites online ... it is well worth visiting them. Try this:

http://www.hermanleonard.com/

Edited April 5, 2004 by garthsj

[John L]

Leeway and John L. -- please forgive me for being presumptuous and jumping in here to provide the answer.

Forgive you? How about thanking you? That is a lot more information than I had about it.

[mikeweil]

Am I right when I assume this Barclay LP licensed Monk Trios from Prestige, or was it Blue Note or Riverside?

[garthsj]

Am I  right when I assume this Barclay LP licensed Monk Trios from Prestige, or was it Blue Note or Riverside?

The information in the record cover graphics book indicated that the album was from 1952, and that the photograph was taken earlier than that. Now.. which trio sides would have there from 1952? I am at my office for a change, and cannot check the discography to see .. I assume it was licensed from Blue Note ...

Anyone out there have a copy of the actual LP? I imagine it would fetch a pretty high price among the specialist collectors today.

Edited April 5, 2004 by garthsj

[brownie]

Am I right when I assume this Barclay LP licensed Monk Trios from Prestige, or was it Blue Note or Riverside?

Barclay licensed from Prestige during the '5Os thru the early '60s. Riverside had a distribution deal with Fontana iFrance in the '60s.

The Monk trio Barclay album came out during the early '60s. The Herman Leonard photo of Monk with a beret dates from 1953.

Blue Note had a distribution deal with Vogue in the '50s. A number of BN 78s were issued in France on the Jazz Selection label which was part of Vogue. BN USA in turn issued a number of 10-inchers with sides recorded by Vogue (and Swing) in France, like the Sidney Bechet, Clifford Brown, Gigi Gryce, Lionel Hampton albums.

[mikeweil]

Thanks a lot, bownie!

[garthsj]

Am I  right when I assume this Barclay LP licensed Monk Trios from Prestige, or was it Blue Note or Riverside?

Barclay licensed from Prestige during the '5Os thru the early '60s. Riverside had a distribution deal with Fontana iFrance in the '60s.

The Monk trio Barclay album came out during the early '60s. The Herman Leonard photo of Monk with a beret dates from 1953.

Blue Note had a distribution deal with Vogue in the '50s. A number of BN 78s were issued in France on the Jazz Selection label which was part of Vogue. BN USA in turn issued a number of 10-inchers with sides recorded by Vogue (and Swing) in France, like the Sidney Bechet, Clifford Brown, Gigi Gryce, Lionel Hampton albums.

Now that I am back at home, I agree with Brownie ... although this book, by Manek Daver, "Jazz Album Covers: The Rare and The Beautiful" published in Japan, does say that "This is a Barclay issue of 1952 recordings using a still earlier Herman Leonard photograph." Now that I can read the actual cuts on the cover, 1952-54 is the time period, so the album was released after 1954.

w Heath, Blakey:

Blue Monk

Just a Gigilo

22 December, 1954

w Gary Mapp, Max Roach:

Bemsha Swing

Reflections

18 December, 1952

w Mapp. Blakey:

Little Rootie Tootie

Sweet and Lovely

Bye-Ya

Monk's Dream

15 October, 1952

w Mapp, Roach:

Trinkle Tickle

These Foolish Things

18 December, 1952

I trust that this puts this to rest .... more than you wanted to know Mike..

Edited April 5, 2004 by garthsj

[king ubu]

Thanks everybody for sharing your knowledge here! I loved John L's avatar right from the first time I saw it. Mystery solved now!

(btw, London, a british label (?), seemed to have a similar distribution deal - I remember having seen some Pacific stuff on London releases)

[brownie]

(btw, London, a british label (?), seemed to have a similar distribution deal - I remember having seen some Pacific stuff on London releases)

London, oh yes! They distributed Riverside. That's how I got to hear the 'Monk Plays Ellington' and 'The Unique Monk' albums first, back in the late '50s before the original Riverside albums landed in France.

I'm not sure they distributed Pacific Jazz in England. Vogue England had a deal with PJ if I remember well!

[king ubu]

(btw, London, a british label (?), seemed to have a similar distribution deal - I remember having seen some Pacific stuff on London releases)

London, oh yes! They distributed Riverside. That's how I got to hear the 'Monk Plays Ellington' and 'The Unique Monk' albums first, back in the late '50s before the original Riverside albums landed in France.

I'm not sure they distributed Pacific Jazz in England. Vogue England had a deal with PJ if I remember well!

You may be right. I had that Chet Baker Sextet (with Brookmeyer, Shank added to the quartet) 10" borrowed from the late father of a friend of mine a year ago. Guess it was indeed a Vogue one.

But I've got some rather dumbass book for jazz dummies trying to list essential records, and in that one, lots of what we know as OJCs today, have the London logo on the cover.

Would have to look up what releases exactly they are to find out. Not sure it's only Riverside.

ubu

[garthsj]

We are straying far afield from the original subject pf this thread, but that is half the fun, right? London Records was a major part of the Decca Group, although I believe that they have been absorbed elsewhere now. They were renowned for the quality of their classical offerings, but did, indeed, make many of the Riverside, Bethlehem, and other label's albums available in England, and thoughout the then British Commonwealth. Their covers, in stark contrast to the heavy cardboard then in use in the U.S. were on very flimsy glossy stock, and always ripped! But the quality of the pressings were/are very much superior to those original U.S.pressings. Much like the Vogue reissues of Pacific Jazz and Contemporary Records, these albums still sound very good today. I looked at the internet, but was unable to turn up a list of London Records offerings at that time, but there must be one lurking somewhere.

Garth ....

[mikeweil]

But I've got some rather dumbass book for jazz dummies trying to list essential records, and in that one, lots of what we know as OJCs today, have the London logo on the cover.

Would have to look up what releases exactly they are to find out. Not sure it's only Riverside.

I have that book. When I browsed through the discographical pages or the recommendations, I wished I could cut the author's throat with a blunt knife. he seems to ignore every non-British issue made after he acquired his collection. Since most of these have different covers, titles or tracks it is almost useless to the non-British collector, and even the islanders won't have much fun considering the issues available today. Splendi isolation lives on in the head of this diehard old-fashioned collector.

The text and historical outines in the book are okay, but the discographical part is a desaster, considering it is supposed to be a buyer's guide.

For those interested in historic British reissues, the book is John Fordham, Jazz. I have the German translation, and the fact it was translated and "editorially worked over" by Peter Niklas Wilson, one of Germany's better jazz authors, doesn't shed a good light on the book or the budgets involved. Sonny Rollins wrote an intoduction ...

[king ubu]

Well, looking through that book I mentioned (John Fordham's "Jazz" in a german translation, one of the books I picked up mostly because of its good prize )

Sonny Stitt - Stitt's Bits (Prestige/brit. release: Esquire)

J.J. Johnson - The Eminent (Blue Note/Vogue)

James Moody - Moody's Workshop (Prestige/XTRA)

Shorty Rogers - The Swingin' Mr. Rogers (Atlantic/London)

MJQ - One Never Knows (Atlantic/London)

Jimmy Giuffre - 3 (Atlantic/London)

Chet Baker - & Crew (Padific Jazz/Vogue)

Lee Konitz / Warne Marsh (Atlantic/London)

John Coltrane - Giant Steps (Atlantic/London)

Elmo Hope - With Jimmy Bond & Frank Butler (Contemporary/Vocalion)

Duke Ellington - At Newport (CBS/Philips)

Eroll Garner - Concert By The Sea (CBS/Philips)

Ella Fitzgerald - The Gershwin Songbooks (Verve/His Master's Voice)

Mingus - Pithecantropus Erectus (Atlantic/London)

Charlie Parker - The Immortal (Savoy/London)

some strange ones:

Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (Columbia)

Getz/J.J. - At The Opera House (Columbia)

Thanks, Garth, for that information on London!

ubu

[king ubu]

But I've got some rather dumbass book for jazz dummies trying to list essential records, and in that one, lots of what we know as OJCs today, have the London logo on the cover.

Would have to look up what releases exactly they are to find out. Not sure it's only Riverside.

I have that book. When I browsed through the discographical pages or the recommendations, I wished I could cut the author's throat with a blunt knife. he seems to ignore every non-British issue made after he acquired his collection. Since most of these have different covers, titles or tracks it is almost useless to the non-British collector, and even the islanders won't have much fun considering the issues available today. Splendi isolation lives on in the head of this diehard old-fashioned collector.

The text and historical outines in the book are okay, but the discographical part is a desaster, considering it is supposed to be a buyer's guide.

For those interested in historic British reissues, the book is John Fordham, Jazz. I have the German translation, and the fact it was translated and "editorially worked over" by Peter Niklas Wilson, one of Germany's better jazz authors, doesn't shed a good light on the book or the budgets involved. Sonny Rollins wrote an intoduction ...

You were posting at the same time as I. Think I paid some 7 Euros for the book...

ubu

[mikeweil]

I got it as a present from some who thought it was great - I couldn't break her jazz heart, though ...

[mikeweil]

some strange ones:

Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (Columbia)

Getz/J.J. - At The Opera House (Columbia)

Don't forget the Columbia label name belonged to British EMI at the time ...

These complex distribution deals are what make the otherwise nice photos in the book so useless as a discographical reference.