What music did you buy today?

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

this must of been what they were promoting the special time i saw them.  Really the end of a freaking era- digitaly recorded and digitally mixed at Van Gelders, 1998

[felser]

[HutchFan]

Got these two CDs today at Jazz Record Center:

and

TOC-J version

[Chuck Nessa]

I just ordered 4 Aerophonic titles from their (Dave Rempis') site.

[jlhoots]

Barney Wilen 2 CD Japan (Tokyo) Live 1991 set ordered.

Edited September 14, 2019 by jlhoots

[Steve Reynolds]

17 hours ago, Chuck Nessa said:

I just ordered 4 Aerophonic titles from their (Dave Rempis') site.

Which ones? I’m debating on the 2 newest releases. I love the original quartet record with Wooley, Niggenkemper & Corsano. I’m sure I’ll get that new one from that group.

[Chuck Nessa]

1 minute ago, Steve Reynolds said:

Which ones? I’m debating on the 2 newest releases. I love the original quartet record with Wooley, Niggenkemper & Corsano. I’m sure I’ll get that new one from that group.

The two new ones and #17 and #19.

[Steve Reynolds]

3 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said:

The two new ones and #17 and #19.

Don’t miss #20, the trio with Tashi Dorji & Tyler Damon

[Chuck Nessa]

16 minutes ago, Steve Reynolds said:

Don’t miss #20, the trio with Tashi Dorji & Tyler Damon

I have another half dozen Aerophonics and will probably fill in most of the holes. I am a fan.

[mjazzg]

It's a shame they don't seem to get European distribution. I've enjoyed the couple I've picked up.

[Steve Reynolds]

12 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said:

I have another half dozen Aerophonics and will probably fill in most of the holes. I am a fan.

I’m filling the holes as well. I’m veer towards the groups with drummers. The two drummer group with a Ingebrigt Haker-Flaten is one of my favorites. I saw Dave in a trio with Brandon Lopez & Ryan Packard this past summer. Excellent set and the recording is also very good. 

[jlhoots]

Glad to see more Rempis "fans" here.

[Larry Kart]

Now that I think of it, I've been following Rempis for almost 20 years now. There's a consists "right thereness" to his playing that is very satisfying. Also, he's just a damn  good player of the saxophone(s) -- power, projection, intonation, you name it. And a very nice guy to boot. There's a lot of them on the Chicago scene.

[Steve Reynolds]

2 hours ago, Larry Kart said:

Now that I think of it, I've been following Rempis for almost 20 years now. There's a consists "right thereness" to his playing that is very satisfying. Also, he's just a damn  good player of the saxophone(s) -- power, projection, intonation, you name it. And a very nice guy to boot. There's a lot of them on the Chicago scene.

He’s always a highlight in the many terrific Vandermark large ensemble recordings. 

[Larry Kart]

13 hours ago, Steve Reynolds said:

He’s always a highlight in the many terrific Vandermark large ensemble recordings. 

OTOH, I can't stand Vandermark; musically, I think he's close to a charlatan, although he did play a significant role in getting the Chicago scene on its feet by (I believe) pouring a good deal of his MacArthur Award money into supporting others. 

[Steve Reynolds]

3 hours ago, Larry Kart said:

OTOH, I can't stand Vandermark; musically, I think he's close to a charlatan, although he did play a significant role in getting the Chicago scene on its feet by (I believe) pouring a good deal of his MacArthur Award money into supporting others. 

I’ve heard this before. He’s not my favorite reed player by a long shot but I think you are selling his compositional abilities with a large ensemble short. I know you’ve seen and heard them. I also know once I get a fixed idea about what’s what I have a hard time letting it go. I still can go where you are when I hear KV in the same group as Rempis or Gustafsson or maybe especially with Brotzmann. 

I try to focus on his strengths rather than his weaknesses which are tone (especially on either of the clarinets he plays) and his lack of flexibility on the tenor. I still get a charge out of his riff based playing - especially on the baritone - but I may be a minority in that view.

[Larry Kart]

Yes, his compositions are IMO less objectionable/inept than his solo work, but for me they also are rather faceless, at time bordering on a kind of willed industrial ugliness, as though ugliness were in itself a sign of authenticity. And that endless string of upscale arty dedications -- to the likes of Samuel Beckett, Michel Foucault, et al., with, unless I'm recalling incorrectly, an occasional doff of the cap to someone like Charlie Patton. I'm guessing that in KV headquarters there's a wheel that he spins, a la Vanna White, to come with the name du jour.

[David Ayers]

Pfui. In the line-up Brotzmann, Gustafsson, Vandermark, it is KV who attends to the task of holding the music together. He's also become a great blower, bit like one of those ‘bar walkers and honkers’. 

[ghost of miles]

Anthony Braxton and a lot of other top-notch musicians don't seem to find KV a "charlatan," which is quite a charge to level against him--a little heavier than simply saying he's not aesthetically developed to one's tastes.  As for the dedications, some may find them pretentious, but they've always struck me merely as KV's attempt to hip people to the artists he admires.  Worse crimes have been committed in the history of jazz.

[jlhoots]

2 minutes ago, ghost of miles said:

Anthony Braxton and a lot of other top-notch musicians don't seem to find KV a "charlatan," which is quite a charge to level against him--a little heavier than simply saying he's not aesthetically developed to one's tastes.  As for the dedications, some may find them pretentious, but they've always struck me merely as KV's attempt to hip people to the artists he admires.  Worse crimes have been committed in the history of jazz.

Agree!!

[JSngry]

Let's leave Vanna White out of this, ok? She's done no wrong.

[mjazzg]

1 hour ago, ghost of miles said:

Anthony Braxton and a lot of other top-notch musicians don't seem to find KV a "charlatan," which is quite a charge to level against him--a little heavier than simply saying he's not aesthetically developed to one's tastes.  As for the dedications, some may find them pretentious, but they've always struck me merely as KV's attempt to hip people to the artists he admires.  Worse crimes have been committed in the history of jazz.

Thanks for making this point so well. It needed to be said. 

To bring the conversation back to Rempis, I've generally preferred KV when they play together. Happy to be in a minority on that.

[Larry Kart]

3 hours ago, jlhoots said:

Agree!!

The dedications, I venture to say without proof  are or were someone else's idea, not KV's. As for KV's playing, I like David Ayers' term "blower." I say charlatan because IMO his cachet in some/many quarters far exceeds his accomplishment, and I wouldn't be surprised if KV kind of knows this. In detail, while changes mean little or nothing to him, which is certainly the case with many vital figures of recent times, he also doesn't seem to me to be a (or much of a) "free" player -- here Rempis is a both good and a fair point of comparison I think. Rempis is by and large a truly "free" player (of a specific type that I won't try to define right now), a creator of striking individual/novel  formally interactive shapes, while KV's shapes are, thanks again to David Ayers, fairly well reminiscent of those of bar walkers and honkers but without the grease and with roughed up with avant-gardish trimmings. As for his riff-based playing (Steve Reynolds' point), in my experience those riffs don't swing (and perhaps that's not the goal) but rather just chug. And chug-chug-chug is not a rhythmic flavor I have much taste for.

[sonnyhill]

20 minutes ago, Larry Kart said:

The dedications, I venture to say without proof  are or were someone else's idea, not KV's.

What does "I venture to say without proof" mean?  If you have no proof, how can you make the assertion that the dedications were someone else's idea?

[Larry Kart]

I'm pretty sure I know whose idea they were, but I don't want to say here.