Charles Mingus - Incarnations (RSD)

[medjuck]

1 hour ago, felser said:

Mosaic contents + 2 additional tracks.  1/5 the price.

What are the two additional tracks and are they available separately?  (I know that may be answered somewhere in this thread but-- as is often the case--  I'm getting confused.) 

[Brad]

Solar Records release is $30 (not a huge fan of these kinds of releases).

RSD is $22. Remastered by Bernie Grundman. Solar, just copied from original record. 

[hbbfam]

14 hours ago, felser said:

Mosaic contents + 2 additional tracks.  1/5 the price.

Same mastering?

[jazzbo]

Probably not--they probably did some tweaks to disguise their theft. And they may have used stereo mastering from Candid releases where Mosaic chose the mono source. Or they may have used tweaked Candid stereo sources throughout--I have no specific knowledge of this set.

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by jazzbo

[felser]

14 hours ago, medjuck said:

What are the two additional tracks and are they available separately?  (I know that may be answered somewhere in this thread but-- as is often the case--  I'm getting confused.) 

The two 'Newport Rebels' tracks which MIngus did not play on (Peck Morrison did): 2-7   Cliff Walk 9:41 2-8   T'Aint Nobody's Bizness If I Do 7:14

[JSngry]

2 hours ago, jazzbo said:

...theft. 

This. 

[bertrand]

1 hour ago, felser said:

The two 'Newport Rebels' tracks which MIngus did not play on (Peck Morrison did): 2-7   Cliff Walk 9:41 2-8   T'Aint Nobody's Bizness If I Do 7:14

Is this a different take of Cliff Walk than the one on Newport Rebels?

I am confused also! Is there something new with Booker Little on it?

[hbbfam]

3 hours ago, jazzbo said:

Probably not--they probably did some tweaks to disguise their theft. And they may have used stereo mastering from Candid releases where Mosaic chose the mono source. Or they may have used tweaked Candid stereo sources throughout--I have no specific knowledge of this set.

 

How would one know that this is a shady company?  When I bought this set I had no idea that they were stealing.

  https://www.discogs.com/release/4222714-Charles-Mingus-The-Complete-1960-Nat-Hentoff-Sessions

[felser]

17 minutes ago, bertrand said:

Is this a different take of Cliff Walk than the one on Newport Rebels?

I am confused also! Is there something new with Booker Little on it?

No, seem to be same takes.

[Brad]

56 minutes ago, hbbfam said:

How would one know that this is a shady company?  When I bought this set I had no idea that they were stealing.

  https://www.discogs.com/release/4222714-Charles-Mingus-The-Complete-1960-Nat-Hentoff-Sessions

It’s one of those reissue companies based in Andorra (I believe), which makes it immediately suspect for me. 

[jazzbo]

20 minutes ago, Brad said:

It’s one of those reissue companies based in Andorra (I believe), which makes it immediately suspect for me. 

There is no indication they have access to original sources to work from, no licensing, they are using the mastering of other labels with possibly a little EQ or compression tweaking to escape being accused/sued for using the work of others.

Whether this is "shady" I guess is a judgment call and whether one is in the US or Europe (the copyright years vary). But I don't consider them completely on the up and up.

[hbbfam]

3 hours ago, jazzbo said:

There is no indication they have access to original sources to work from, no licensing, they are using the mastering of other labels with possibly a little EQ or compression tweaking to escape being accused/sued for using the work of others.

Whether this is "shady" I guess is a judgment call and whether one is in the US or Europe (the copyright years vary). But I don't consider them completely on the up and up.

Until someone points out "the obvious" it is not obvious. 

[JSngry]

It's one thing to buy that kind of stuff here and there. We all are weak and indulge. It's another thing to enthusiastically advocate for it. 

Beware of false profits! 

[Brad]

12 hours ago, JSngry said:

It's one thing to buy that kind of stuff here and there. We all are weak and indulge. It's another thing to enthusiastically advocate for it. 

Beware of false profits! 

In my earlier years I had bought a few things from these labels but I’ve gone out of the way to rid my collection of them.

On the copyright question I believe 70 years is now the EU standard.