Complete Evening with Joe Henderson

[hbbfam]

Downloaded the 44/24 from 7digital tiday.  Very good.

[Rooster_Ties]

Much as I love Joe, I’ve always been nonplussed by State of the Tenor — which I’ve always thought was mostly because of the lack of Joe’s own tunes (which I think would have been more interesting to hear in a trio-only format) — but that’s definitely not the only reason (more below).

Then “Beatrice” from this new Complete Evening thing comes on my Pandora the other day — and man, was I ever sucked in!!

Maybe(?) is it a Haden vs. Carter thing? (no small thing whatsoever) — but then also, Al Foster’s playing on Evening (at least this one cut) absolutely danced in a way I don’t EVER remember hearing on State. So does Al play that much differently with Ron? (yeah, maybe?) Were the drums recorded differently? (yeah, maybe too — they definitely seemed hotter).

Anyway, I’d never bothered with Evening back in the day, because I already had a TON of Joe on CD (and I mean tons and tons).

But that one “Beatrice” cut has be rethinking that.

I still have so much Joe on CD (80%+ of his commercial output, and that’s including sideman work) — but when I moved to DC, I sold my State of the Tenor, as it was always more lacking than fulfilling.

Maybe I need Complete Evening instead.

[felser]

I already own Evening.  Do the extra tunes justify buying Complete Evening also?

[jlhoots]

1 hour ago, felser said:

I already own Evening.  Do the extra tunes justify buying Complete Evening also?

Good question.

[jazzbo]

As I see it it depends how much of a Joe Henderson fan you are, and also what type of collector you are. 

I'll buy it if it shows up via amazon.com or dustygroove.com etc.

Edited October 21, 2023 by jazzbo

[Rooster_Ties]

On 10/21/2023 at 10:34 AM, felser said:

I already own Evening.  Do the extra tunes justify buying Complete Evening also?

All three of the extra tunes (only) were also available on this CD, which also features 6 other Joe Henderson tunes as recorded by various other artists, all from various other albums also on the ‘Red’ label.

https://www.discogs.com/release/4366136-Joe-Henderson-In-N-Around

The first one (track 4) only lists Bobby Watson (not a misprint), because it’s a solo alto sax cut with just him — and a darn good one at that.  The whole disc is a dandy (I’ve actually got one, that I found on eBay 10-15 years ago).

So it turns out all I’m lacking is the main Evening album.

Here’s Bobby’s solo track…

And BTW, there appears to have been a separate release (or maybe online only?) of just those 6 Henderson cover tunes — at least I found this playlist on YouTube, with all of them and what seems to be dedicated artwork.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n-L4dP2ZHD9NgxkJNe55ISVXcH9YSN78s&si=QffxGBDK7qSufAD3

Edit: Interestingly, the artwork seems to have 8 tunes listed — but the playlist is just 6 (I’m assuming the same six as on my CD above, but I haven’t checked).

In any case, there probably was a physical release then with 8 different Joe Hen covers — only 6 of which appeared on the oddball Italian CD with just the 3 bonus tracks from Evening.

Edited October 22, 2023 by Rooster_Ties

[Teasing the Korean]

On 10/21/2023 at 10:34 AM, felser said:

I already own Evening.  Do the extra tunes justify buying Complete Evening also?

That depends on your expectations for a complete evening.  With that title, I would expect Joe to pick me up and pay for dinner. 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Teasing the Korean

[JSngry]

16 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said:

That depends on your expectations for a complete evening.  With that title, I would expect Joe to pick me up and pay for dinner. 

Thank your for this. I was afraid that I was going to have to do it. Except I would have thrown in some weed/lines jokes and then pissed off some people. 

[Teasing the Korean]

4 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Thank your for this. I was afraid that I was going to have to do it. Except I would have thrown in some weed/lines jokes and then pissed off some people. 

Well, if he's driving, I don't want to encourage bad behavior with weed.  If we take Lyft or Uber, that's a different story.

[JSngry]

Encourage? 

[BFrank]

On 10/21/2023 at 6:16 AM, Rooster_Ties said:

... I sold my State of the Tenor, as it was always more lacking than fulfilling.

Me, too! Glad I'm not the only one.

It always seemed to get raves, so I just thought it was me. 😎

[Rooster_Ties]

6 minutes ago, BFrank said:

Me, too! Glad I'm not the only one.

It always seemed to get raves, so I just thought it was me. 😎

I always thought I was the only one — but there’s at least a couple of us!! 

[Teasing the Korean]

2 hours ago, JSngry said:

Encourage? 

Entourage.

[BFrank]

7 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

I always thought I was the only one — but there’s at least a couple of us!! 

😆

[hbbfam]

For what it's worth, the download is fairly cheap, $9, and sound is very good.  I have really enjoyed this.  My Joe Henderson consists of Page One, the Mosaic Blue Note, and the Milestone Years box.  This new one is a nice addition.

 

[Rooster_Ties]

I think(?) somehow(?) I never picked up a physical copy of The Montreal Tapes: Tribute to Joe Henderson — which is also with Haden and Foster (and live).

Guess I oughta fix that one of these days too — maybe.

Opinions on that, vs. Evening?

[Eric]

2 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

I think(?) somehow(?) I never picked up a physical copy of The Montreal Tapes: Tribute to Joe Henderson — which is also with Haden and Foster (and live).

Guess I oughta fix that one of these days too — maybe.

Opinions on that, vs. Evening?

FWIW & YMMV:

1. Evening

2. Vanguard

3. Montreal

[romualdo]

5 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

I think(?) somehow(?) I never picked up a physical copy of The Montreal Tapes: Tribute to Joe Henderson — which is also with Haden and Foster (and live).

Guess I oughta fix that one of these days too — maybe.

Opinions on that, vs. Evening?

Scored this in the Haden complete Montreal 6CD box a few years back

https://www.discogs.com/release/2412236-Charlie-Haden-The-Montreal-Tapes