Carlos: The Santana Journey

[gvopedz]

 

Edited September 17, 2023 by gvopedz

[felser]

Have always found his discussions to be too whacked out, though I do love much of his music, especially the Columbia albums from the debut through Borboletta.

[jlhoots]

There was a segment on him on CBS morning news today. Some strange social ideas, but he can still play. 

The footage of Cindy Blackman was very good.

 

[gvopedz]

I would say, when Carlos Santana talks, he loves to use metaphors.  Decades ago I saw him on Ted Koppel's Nightline.  Koppel would ask Santana a question, and Santana would reply with a range of metaphors - my impression was that those replies were better than the replies I heard some politicians give on Nightline.

[rostasi]

10 hours ago, jlhoots said:

Some strange social ideas…

His onstage rants have lost him lots of previous fans.

[JSngry]

What's he on about these days? Anything new? 

[T.D.]

1 hour ago, JSngry said:

What's he on about these days? Anything new? 

Google reveals a recent brouhaha concerning an "anti-trans rant".

I'm completely out of touch with popular culture, so have no idea what any previous rants might have addressed. In any case I've never looked to popular figures' onstage remarks for philosophical, moral, ethical, ... guidance. 🙄

Edited September 18, 2023 by T.D.

[Rooster_Ties]

11 minutes ago, T.D. said:

Google reveals a recent brouhaha concerning an "anti-trans rant".

I just tried to Google “Santana Trans” — got that far typing, and it suggested these as the top search matches… 

Check out Santana Transmissions!

https://yelp.to/fBouLedRYk

https://www.zoominfo.com/c/santana-transmission/1141659779

https://www.groupon.com/biz/orlando/santana-transmissions

etc…

[felser]

4 hours ago, gvopedz said:

those replies were better than the replies I heard some politicians give on Nightline.

Talk about your low bars.... 🙂

[T.D.]

2 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

I just tried to Google “Santana Trans” — got that far typing, and it suggested these as the top search matches… 

Check out Santana Transmissions!

https://yelp.to/fBouLedRYk

https://www.zoominfo.com/c/santana-transmission/1141659779

https://www.groupon.com/biz/orlando/santana-transmissions

etc…

If you Google the character string carlos santana rant, just those alpha characters with no punctuation surrounding them, you'll get more than you could imagine  on the recent trans thing.

 

If you enclose them in quotation marks, "carlos santana rant", Google will return additional references to a variety of prior rants.

 

Disclosure: I didn't bother to visit any of the links returned.

[felser]

Have we entered out of music and into religion/politics here?

[T.D.]

7 minutes ago, felser said:

Have we entered out of music and into religion/politics here?

Sorry, John. No intent.

I posted the Chinmoy stuff because I had a funny recollection, deleted the post.

I don't care to comment on the rants, don't know any details.

Edited September 18, 2023 by T.D.

[felser]

No offense taken, just had/have a "danger, Will Robinson" sense.  And I was thinking about the rants rather than the Sri Chimnoy stuff.  But I can't think about him without remembering Robert Christgau's capsule review of the 'Love Devotion Surrender' album.

[JSngry]

All I can find is a 58-second clip from what is being characterized as a 15 minute "rant", and a bit of a muddled one at that.

Perhaps a better question is what kind of senility is he entering that drives him to stop a show for something like this? If this short clip is the highlight, it sounds like it would be more of a ramble than a rant.

Either way, what was the desired outcome, and why did he think it was a good idea to do it right there?

Senility Now!!! 

Far more relevant imo is Jann Wenner getting busted for finally saying the quiet part out loud and confirming decades of suspicion. 

 

 

[gvopedz]

Yesterday's CBS morning segment on Santana included the "rant" episode in detail.  You can watch it below, starting at around 5:30, and then make a judgment:

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/carlos-santana-on-music-and-spirituality/

 

[JSngry]

CBS showed even less of the 58-second clip than is on YouTube. Santana's apology was cursory.

That is not "in detail", not at all.

Here's the fullest excerpt I can find:

That's hardly a "rant". Not really enlightened, but that's NOT a rant. I saw Dick Gregory in concert/speech where he went off on the FBI/CIA and damn near everybody else, replete with name-calling, finger-pointing at unconfirmed plants in the audience, and just the most fired up sense of pending apocalypse imaginable. THAT was a rant, albeit a supremely entertaining one.

The full 15 minutes, please. Otherwise all we have is Old Man Rambling about The Way Things Used To Be. Although he starts it off with "there is no 'virtual reality' " and I'll give him that much. But after that, hey Carlos, did you know that Cows are not Sand? So where do you go from there? Nowhere? Good. Now back to work, this is a gig remember? A comment is on thing, but 15 minutes is too fucking long a time to not be on the gig.

I'm not arguing for the content, but I am against the characterization of it without more context.

People saying stupid shit need to be called out on it, no matter what their attempted position is.

 

[T.D.]

5 hours ago, JSngry said:

...

Far more relevant imo is Jann Wenner getting busted for finally saying the quiet part out loud and confirming decades of suspicion. 

 

 

Damn. One consequence of not paying attention to popular culture is that I don't hear about shit like that. Interesting, I appreciate the info, but not gonna discuss it here.

[JSngry]

Nothing to discuss imo. And no surprise either. Some things are obvious to anybody who's not looking the other way (for sometimes totally understandable reasons...but only sometimes)

[T.D.]

I was looking the other way because I never cared about his magazine. 😉

[JSngry]

Yeah, I tried to, but after a while...it just got obvious how wrong so much of it was.

And yet it persisted. And persists.

An honest man. Just one, please. 

[gvopedz]

14 hours ago, JSngry said:

That is not "in detail", not at all.

 

 

There is enough detail for me.