Dub Modal Posted June 5, 2023 Report Posted June 5, 2023 22 minutes ago, BillF said: This list is getting so long that someone will be naming Paul Desmond next! Just list em all 😄 Quote
Dan Gould Posted June 5, 2023 Author Report Posted June 5, 2023 29 minutes ago, BillF said: This list is getting so long that someone will be naming Paul Desmond next! Clearly my idle thought while driving wasn't my most perceptive - of course there are "tough" altos, even restricted to the "mainstream" but if anyone does say Paul Desmond .... 😜 Here's one someone could have mentioned: Curtis Peagler. Quote
BillF Posted June 5, 2023 Report Posted June 5, 2023 47 minutes ago, BillF said: This list is getting so long that someone will be naming Paul Desmond next! https://www.saxontheweb.net/threads/eddie-condon-quote-about-paul-desmond.394808/ Quote
Larry Kart Posted June 5, 2023 Report Posted June 5, 2023 18 minutes ago, JSngry said: Sonny Red Yes, andJohn Jenkins too Quote
optatio Posted June 5, 2023 Report Posted June 5, 2023 The 'triumvirate' – in alphabetical order: Benny Carter, Johnny Hodges, Willie Smith Quote
Joe Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) Am I mistaken or has no one mentioned Cannonball yet? Especially later Cannonball, when the Bird influence becomes less dominant. James Spaulding (though maybe too "out" for some tastes) Art Pepper, especially 70s Art. But then there's INTENSITY... Jesse Davis Ed Jackson (the same Ed Jackson who played with Tom Varner) Edited June 6, 2023 by Joe Quote
JSngry Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 Arthur Blythe and Oliver Lake. Not Arthur Lake, ok? Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 Art Pepper sometimes Darius Jones could be Rusty Bryant maybe Henry Threadgill and Julius Hemphill could've been if they'd wanted, but they both had other fish to fry Henry Threadgill and Julius Hemphill could've been if they'd wanted, but they both had other fish to fry Cleanhead Vinson Quote
Dan Gould Posted June 6, 2023 Author Report Posted June 6, 2023 4 hours ago, danasgoodstuff said: Rusty Bryant maybe not a maybe and more "tough" than any of the others you mentioned. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, Dan Gould said: Personally I think of direct links to Bird also being disqualifying for the sort of "toughness" that I am referencing. so I wouldn't necessarily go with Jackie Mac... but since I acquiesced to Sonny Criss, hey, why not. Recognizing that you did seem to capitulate, and have now included McLean in your thinking -- I have to say that I can think of no "tougher" alto player than Jackie (other than players who are clearly a little more outside that seem to be up for consideration). If Jackie's sound and manner of soloing isn't "tough" -- what the heck is? Also, Dan, did you weigh in on whether Dolphy in the studio qualifies? Edited June 6, 2023 by Rooster_Ties Quote
BillF Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) Of today's younger players, Sarah Hanrahan. Clear McLean influence, including tune choice here. Edited June 6, 2023 by BillF Quote
mjazzg Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 22 minutes ago, BillF said: Of today's younger players, Sarah Hanrahan. Clear McLean influence, including tune choice here. I like that, a lot Quote
Dan Gould Posted June 6, 2023 Author Report Posted June 6, 2023 51 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said: Also, Dan, did you weigh in on whether Dolphy in the studio qualifies? Like modern Field Day events, everyone gets a trophy. So hell yeah to Dolphy too. Quote
John L Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Dub Modal said: Hemphill and Joe McPhee And if not them then how about Sonny Fortune? I was going to say - Julius Hemphill. Buster Smith is another candidate. Edited June 6, 2023 by John L Quote
Pim Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 On 6/5/2023 at 5:07 PM, Rooster_Ties said: How about Jackie McLean? I think he’s essentially a tough but arguably slightly more an inside player, than avant. I was thinking about Jackie too. He has that filthy bluesy sound. I’d call it tough. Those intense high squeaks on Let Freedom Ring 🥰 it took me a while to click with his sound but when I did, oh man Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 7 hours ago, Dan Gould said: not a maybe and more "tough" than any of the others you mentioned. I was only 'maybe' on Rusty because I haven't heard that much. Quote
Dan Gould Posted June 6, 2023 Author Report Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, danasgoodstuff said: I was only 'maybe' on Rusty because I haven't heard that much. Yeah I don't think Rusty Bryant was programmed to be less than tough on any instrument. Quote
JSngry Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 Geezil Minerve Norris Turney Preston Love Luther Thomas Quote
Dan Gould Posted June 6, 2023 Author Report Posted June 6, 2023 Whoever said "list them all" seems to have nailed it. Yet no one will say "Arnold Sterling". Quote
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