John Coltrane with Eric Dolphy - Evenings at the Village Gate (July 14th release date)

[clifford_thornton]

yeah, tried it on my 30 year old DVD player (which plays everything else) and my 2-year-old Subaru CD player. It could be a defective disc, I'm not sure.

[JSngry]

Pop it into a computer and see if it plays there. If it does, you are gtg fo making a 2-fer 

Is it possible that the issue lies with the pressing plant, did they maybe not do a code right, or whatever they would have had to do to get an overburn that would automatically be ready? Or is that not how it works?

Age of the player alone does not seem to be a factor. One Amazon peep says it won't play in their " brand new" player..

So there, conclusive evidence!!!!

What is really fucked here is the notion that apparently there is nobody in the chain of command over there who had a look at 80:02 and said whoa, hold on, this might not work for everybody...

I remember when consumer grade turntables still came with a 16 2/3 speed and you could buy phono styli with a flipover to to play 78s. Hardly connoisseur technology, but the point was just to not sell people something they might not be able to use.

This was well into the 1970s, and at the time, I had yet to see a 16 2/3 record. But by God if I ever did. I would be able to take it home and play it! 

[rostasi]

1 hour ago, JSngry said:

This was well into the 1970s, and at the time, I had yet to see a 16 2/3 record. But by God if I ever did. I would be able to take it home and play it! 

I remember those! I used to play my Syntonic Research LPs at that speed
when I was a youngster (and a few electronic ones too).

 

Looky here:

https://www.mollenkramer.nl/16rpm/

Edited July 25, 2023 by rostasi

[JSngry]

At some point I saw some old Caedmon records at that speed. 

[rostasi]

Yup! The spoken word stuff often ended up at 16.

[clifford_thornton]

Closing the loop, it doesn't read on my computer either -- my Mac just spit it right back out. So I will be attempting to return it to CD Japan.

[Stompin at the Savoy]

If the disk is not recognized, I recommend updating the driver on your computer for the optical drive.  This is pretty easy to do.  Get into your computer properties and see what you have for a drive; update the driver online.  How precisely depends on your OS.

If the disk really is blank this obviously can't fix it.  If you have a pretty old system and a driver that can't handle some newer codecs this might fix it.

I had no problem reading it into my computer, a 5 year old Dell desktop running Windows 10 which is nearing the end of it's lifespan.  Shows up as 1:20, 271.6 megabytes.

Edited July 27, 2023 by Stompin at the Savoy

[clifford_thornton]

yeah, this is a 15 year old Mac with an external drive. At a certain point, if it's not readable on numerous CD readers, it has to be the disc as that's the only thing in common here. And then what am I doing with a $40 piece of unusable aluminum?

[Stompin at the Savoy]

20 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said:

yeah, this is a 15 year old Mac with an external drive. At a certain point, if it's not readable on numerous CD readers, it has to be the disc as that's the only thing in common here. And then what am I doing with a $40 piece of unusable aluminum?

I don't think the Mac itself matters much.  The interface between computer and disk drive is that device driver.  You should be able to look up the device driver for your external drive and install the latest version on your computer.  I don't promise that will fix it but it's quick and costs nothing.  If you have a newer laptop or something which also can't recognize it - return it, must be defective.

[Brad]

I decided to purchase it, despite initial reservations, and while the music is good and a worthwhile purchase, the sound is so so but not surprising and enjoyed reading Rich Alderson’s notes. Elvin, Coltrane and Dolphy sound good enough but I couldn’t hear the piano and bass.  Perhaps if I use headphones I will be able to hear them. 

[Stompin at the Savoy]

The group was loud.  It's a fairly high-level recording.  So it's not going to sound good unless you crank it up a bit.  Headphones and equalizers can help.  If I don't have A/C on I like to just crank it up on speakers.

[JSngry]

2 hours ago, Stompin at the Savoy said:

Shows up as 1:20... 

Yeah, that's 80:00, not 80:02. What does the time show in WMP or something similar that can give you a seconds reading? 

Now what I am wondering is if all the CDs are pressed the same, why do those extra two seconds show up on some players and not others? Or are/do they?

Clifford, check the play side of your copy. The first one I got appeared to be totally blank and had something etched(?)on a small section. 

At this point, it seems that there should be a simple explanation. This is not a musical issue, it's a data issue, right? So...code. Somewhere  Right? 

Oh, on my ripped/burned 2 CD set. I can hear the bass quite nicely on some cuts, hardly at all on others. 

[Stompin at the Savoy]

17 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Yeah, that's 80:00, not 80:02. What does the time show in WMP or something similar that can give you a seconds reading? 

Now what I am wondering is if all the CDs are pressed the same, why do those extra two seconds show up on some players and not others? Or are/do they?

Clifford, check the play side of your copy. The first one I got appeared to be totally blank and had something etched(?)on a small section. 

At this point, it seems that there should be a simple explanation. This is not a musical issue, it's a data issue, right? So...code. Somewhere  Right? 

Oh, on my ripped/burned 2 CD set. I can hear the bass quite nicely on some cuts, hardly at all on others. 

In another application it shows up as 1:20:03 

[JSngry]

Even one more second!!!! 

[RiRiIII]

Anybody has the jp SACD to check there too?

[Niko]

fwiw, my CD player claims it's 80:05... 

[JSngry]

4 hours ago, Niko said:

fwiw, my CD player claims it's 80:05... 

OMG

[tranemonk]

I'm listening to it for the first time now... and am loving it... I like this WAY better than the live Love Supreme Seattle release a few years ago. I know it's a completely different set list but the sound quality seems much better. Very happy with this. I wish there was more...

[clifford_thornton]

On 7/27/2023 at 6:52 PM, JSngry said:

 

Clifford, check the play side of your copy. The first one I got appeared to be totally blank and had something etched(?)on a small section. 

 

yes, that is what mine looks like -- no bands that indicate any tracks.

[JSngry]

Hmmm...do you see anything etched along the outer édge of the disc? Mot a lot, just a little word or symbol or something.

I should have used my magnifying glass before retiring it... 

 

[RiRiIII]

On 7/28/2023 at 11:20 AM, RiRiIII said:

Anybody has the jp SACD to check there too?

 

On 7/28/2023 at 11:42 AM, Niko said:

fwiw, my CD player claims it's 80:05... 

My SACD player shows 80:01 for my single layer japanese SHM-SACD

[rostasi]

I show exactly 80 minutes ... but, anything over 79:30 usually will cause issues - 
even on the best of units.

On a similar note: I have a 17-disc set where each disc is EXACTLY 79:10 in length.

Edited August 16, 2023 by rostasi