Justin V Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 On 4/25/2023 at 9:55 AM, Dan Gould said: Why would the co-writer of "It's Raining Men" even get booked on her show? I never knew him to have any yearning for playing jazz or being inspired by it though I guess there was some incipient threat of it if Dave had to tell him not to play that style. IIRC, he is on Howard Johnson's Gravity!!! album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 They both have played in the SNL band. SNL & Letterman were in the same building when Letterman was with NBC. Networking, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 I'm more of a Night Music fan myself. That was some shit. I was a little young to understand jazz but thought the eclecticism of the program was very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 18 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said: I'm more of a Night Music fan myself. That was some shit. I was a little young to understand jazz but thought the eclecticism of the program was very interesting. Look HERE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 Hell yeah. I got to know Hal a bit. Really sweet man. Still very sad that he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 3 hours ago, clifford_thornton said: I'm more of a Night Music fan myself. That was some shit. I was a little young to understand jazz but thought the eclecticism of the program was very interesting. You'd need to go to England to have programs like this on national TV. The American tv-watching public's intellect level has taken a deep dive in the last 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 18 minutes ago, Dmitry said: You'd need to go to England to have programs like this on national TV. The American tv-watching public's intellect level has taken a deep dive in the last 30 years. Sadly, the same thing has happened here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 19 hours ago, JSngry said: They both have played in the SNL band. SNL & Letterman were in the same building when Letterman was with NBC. Networking, so to speak. IIRC they were both in the SNL band at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 Night Music was great, before Hal Wilner lost his touch he was genius. And the best part was the juxtapositions, as interesting as they were, it was the vintage clips - I had no idea video (or even live audio) of the Clovers existed. The rest of this thread is trivial by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 https://petapixel.com/2023/06/21/four-months-of-chaos-the-bewildering-story-of-bebop-and-madavor-media/ Interesting. Not a particularly neutral article. It is hard to tell what precisely is going on in the lawsuit (a transfer of assets pre completion and even pre due diligence is not that normal, but perhaps the allegation is that bad faith due diligence requests were being used as a way to obtain confidential information. If so, that doesn’t really come out) and I think the idea that BeBop is suing on this failed sale as a money making scheme due to pending debts on the acquisition is a little far-fetched. My key takeaway is the debt heavy structure of the original acquisition of jazz times along with the rest of the portfolio, combined with wider closures and run downs of all titles. Either way, the whole thing feels pretty grim, both the structure of the purchase, the consequences, and BeBop’s attempt to frame its actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Rabshakeh said: https://petapixel.com/2023/06/21/four-months-of-chaos-the-bewildering-story-of-bebop-and-madavor-media/ Interesting. Not a particularly neutral article. It is hard to tell what precisely is going on in the lawsuit (a transfer of assets pre completion and even pre due diligence is not that normal, but perhaps the allegation is that bad faith due diligence requests were being used as a way to obtain confidential information. If so, that doesn’t really come out) and I think the idea that BeBop is suing on this failed sale as a money making scheme due to pending debts on the acquisition is a little far-fetched. My key takeaway is the debt heavy structure of the original acquisition of jazz times along with the rest of the portfolio, combined with wider closures and run downs of all titles. Either way, the whole thing feels pretty grim, both the structure of the purchase, the consequences, and BeBop’s attempt to frame its actions. I gave it a quick read and proudly state that I understood almost nothing, aside from the fact that someone tried to sell something to someone, and now the seller is suing the buyer for 25 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) the same website had some earlier articles on the topic that I thought were a bit more accessible... my main takeaway was that in order to buy and dismantle JazzTimes, the Royals needed to buy an entire ecosystem of niche magazines and websites... Plane & Pilot they managed to sell to new owners, with others, all concerned parties were less lucky... here is another more accessible article, this time from the perspective of the founder of the "Women Create" magazine (which was also sold on to a compassionate buyer after a few months of chaos)... Edited June 28, 2023 by Niko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 Has anyone ever watched the BeBop TV channel that is at the centre of this thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 good call, i just watched like a minute of it and thought it was a bit weird, but then again, that's also what I would expect by now https://www.beboptv.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 I just added it to my Roku lineup. It's free! A LOT of "international independent" film, not a lot of "jazz", but a Billy Bang documentary at least. Also some dance stuff (as in modern dance, not club stuff) that I can watch with interest If you remember BET Jazz... This is definitely not that (thankfully?) What it IS... We will see. Right now..."jazz" is the least of its priorities, which has me wondering where/how/why about this pretty sizable library of content that is not at all "Jazz" related. Stay tuned, maybe.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 These dance videos are very good, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 So it sounds broadly legit? I had a look at the website, and it seems to mostly be content involving some sort of musician in the plotline, rather than about jazz per se, but clearly it isn't just a website with nothing behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 Panicking man receives notification this his first out of three free articles on JazzTimes.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 Poor guy!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 "The Buzz" discusses changes at JazzTIMES (21:48) (podcast) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 37 minutes ago, rostasi said: "The Buzz" discusses changes at JazzTIMES (21:48) (podcast) Those are some butthurt self-important white dudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, JSngry said: Those are some butthurt self-important white dudes. They should have been paid at least. Oh, and Murph isn’t white. Edited August 8, 2023 by clifford_thornton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 Paid, yes, definitely. That's a separate conversation. Not even a conversation, even. Which one was it whose proudest accomplishment was a deep-dive into the career of George Butler? That was Murph, right? Talk about not only drinking the Kool Aid but also handing it out to others... So strike "white" from my statement then. Otherwise, it stands I think the $9/week checks are not defendable, but otoh, if I had to deal with people like that, I would be tempted to throw a statement pitch or two myself. OTOH, pay them and be done with them. Let them whine on and on about everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 Part Two (If you're still interested) [25:52] (from July 31 of this year) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 What is their end game with all this whining? It comes off like nobody else will hire them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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