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Jaki Byard, Richard Davis, & Alan Dawson: standout albums w/ at least two of these three (but especially all three) - and any notable lesser known or underrated ones?

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Seems like this rhythm section -- Byard, Davis, and Dawson -- recorded together quite a bit.  As a full trio, they're on a metric ton of Booker Ervin dates -- and on a number of Jaki's own leader-dates too (and Jaki also used either Davis or Dawson, but not both, a few times too).

I'm wondering where ELSE these three recorded together (especially all three) -- backing whom? -- and if there are any dates with all three of them that are more obscure or lesser known (but worth tracking down).

And I guess to extend the discussion a little (which, face it, is gonna happen here inevitably anyway)... I suppose we can also include any dates with just two out of all three of them (but please try and point that out, to make it a little easier to distinguish between all the times ALL THREE of them recorded).

Does anyone know of a list of everything all three of them recorded on together?  Maybe we could develop one here.

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The complete discography includes 10 recordings:

3 Booker Ervin records

3 Jaki Byard records

2 Eric Kloss record

1 Phil Woods record

1 Roy Eldridge record

 

  Englewood Cliffs, N.J., December 3, 1963
  A lunar tune Prest PRLP7295, P24091, (Jap)VICJ-23782 [CD]
  Cry me not      -          -       -
  Grant's stand      -          -       -
  A day to mourn      -          -       -
  Al's in      -          -       -
  Stella by starlight Prest PRLP7417  -       -       , OJC CD919-2 [CD]
Note: Prestige P24091 entitled "The freedom and space sessions"; see October 2, 1964 for the rest of this 2LP set.
OJC CD919-2 [CD] titled "Groovin' High".
Above titles from Prestige PRLP7295 also on OJC CD845-2 [CD] titled "The Freedom Book".
All above titles also on Prestige PRCD-30160-2 [CD] titled "The Freedom Book".
All above titles also on Jazz Lips (E)JL771 [CD] titled "The Complete Songbook Sessions"; this is 2 CD set.
  Englewood Cliffs, N.J., October 2, 1964
  Number two Prest PRLP7386, P24091, (Jap)VICJ23784 [CD]
  I can't get started (*)      -          -       -
  Mojo      -          -       -
  There is no greater love      -          -       -
  The second no 2       PRLP7417, -       -       , OJC CD919-2 [CD]
  Bass-ix      -                  -       , OJC CD919-2 [CD]
Note: (*) This title also on Franklin Mint GJR072.
Prestige P24091 titled "The freedom and space sessions".
Prestige PRLP7417 titled "Groovin' high".
First 4 titles also on OJC CD896-2 [CD] titled "The Space Book".
All above titles also on Jazz Lips (E)JL771 [CD].
[B16924]Your CollectionAdd   Jaki Byard
  New York, January 11, 1966
  Nocturne for contrabass Prestige PR7463, OJC CD-1898-2 [CD]
  Just you, just me      -              -
  Getting to know you (jp vcl)      -              -
  Night leaves (jp vcl)      -              -
  Freedom together      -              -
  Ode to Prez      -              -
  Young at heart (jb piano solo)      -              -
Note: All above titles also on Prestige (Jap)SMJ-7435.
  Englewood Cliffs, NJ, September 9, 1966
  Bachafillen Prest PRLP7499, OJC CD981-2 [CD]
  You don't know what love is (jo,gb out)      -             -
  Aluminum baby      -             -
  Not quite that      -             -
  Bei mir bist du schon      -             -
  Ode to Charlie Parker                    -
Note: All titles from Prestige PRLP7499 also on Fantasy P7499.
  New York, December 22, 1966
  Milestones Prest PR7486, Prestige PRCD-24293-2 [CD]
  Softly, as in a morning sunrise      -                -
  You don't know what love is      -                -
  When I fall in love                       -
  Repeat       PR7486,         -
  Gentle one      -                -
  Psychedelicatessen rag                       -
[B16927]Your CollectionAdd   Jaki Byard
  New York, April 2, 1968
  Music to watch girls by (1) Prestige PR7573, PRCD-24246-2 [CD]
  Cat's cradle conference rag (2)         -        -
  Falling rains of life (2)         -        -
  How high the moon         -        -
  Ray's blues (rn vcl)         -        -
Note: Prestige PRCD-24246-2 [CD] titled "Solo/Strings"; see July 31, 1969 for rest of CD.
All above titles also on Prestige (Jap)SMJ-7508.
[B16928]Your CollectionAdd   Jaki Byard
  Englewood Cliffs, NJ, September 17, 1968
  Parisian thoroughfare Prestige PR7615, P24080, OJC CD-1913-2 [CD]
  Hazy eve (p,b duo)         -        -          -
  Shine on me         -        -          -
  Evidence         -        -          - , Boplicity (E)BOM12
  Memories of you (rd,ad out)         -        -          -
  Teach me tonight         -        -          -
Note: All above titles also on Prestige P24080 titled "Roland Kirk - Pre-Rahsaan"; see Roland Kirk, July 11, 1961 for rest of this 2 LP set.
All above titles also on Prestige (Jap)SMJ-7518, Bellaphon (G)BJS-40128, Prestige PRCD-24080 [CD].
  Englewood Cliffs, N.J., January 2, 1969
  Things ain't what they used to be Prest PR7627, Prestige PRCD-24217-2 [CD]
  Sock it to me Socrates      -                -
  Summertime      -                -
  So what      -                -
  Santa Clink (unissued)
  When two lovers touch Prest PR7627, Prestige PRCD-24217-2 [CD]
Note: All titles from Prestige PR7627 also on Prestige (Jap)SMJ-7528.
  Live "New Orleans Jazz Festival", New Orleans, LA, June, 1969
  Rifftide Scotti Bros. (Pol)72392-75246-2 [CD]
  I can't get started             -
  Little Jazz             -
  Perdido (1)             -
Note: For the rest of Scotti Bros. (Pol)72392-75246-2 [CD] see Dizzy Gillespie and Buck Clayton.
  New York, January 14, 1974
  Samba du bois Muse MR5037, MCD5037 [CD]
  Willow, weep for me     -        -
  Nefertiti     -        -
  The last page     -        -
  The summer knows     -        -
  Airegin     -        -           , Franklin Mint GJR072
  Samba du bois (alt take)              -
Note: All titles from Muse MR5037 also on Muse (F)900322, Vedette (It)VPA8339, Toshiba (Jap)80135, Tobacco Road (G)2547.
All above titles also on Camden Deluxe (E)74321-608222 [CD] titled "The Summit"; further titles from this 2 CD set by Bud Shank, Al Cohn, Zoot Sims.
All above titles also on 32 Jazz 32016 [CD] titled "Musique Du Bois".
All above titles also on Muse (Jap)IXJ-80135, Seven Seas (Jap)K22P-6002, K18P-9428, Muse (G)976037 [CD], (Jap)BRJ-4510 [CD], SRCS-9401 [CD].

 

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Surprised that it’s only 3 Booker Ervin dates — because I thought it was like 5 (or maybe even 6?).

But I guess that because there just 3 different Ervin sessions — which only came out spread across like 5 (or is it 6?) different LP’s. Always hard to keep track of without a scorecard (and even then).

I knew and have the Kloss dates, but had no idea of Woods date (in 1974? - wow, lot later than I was imagining this trio working together). And I guess the Eldridge was just a live one-off thing.

 

But I’m also surprised there weren’t some others I wasn’t aware of — just the Woods, if we’re counting studio dates.

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Booker Ervin, The Trance 10/27/65 -  Booker, Jaki, Reggie Workman, Dawson

Booker Ervin, Setting the Pace, date? - Booker, Dexter, Jaki, Reggie, Dawson

Booker Ervin, The Song Book 2/27/64 - Booker, Tommy Flanagan, Richard Davis, Dawson

Booker Ervin, The Blues 6/30/64 - Booker, Carmel Jones, Gildo Mahones, R. Davis, Dawson

that's all the 2/3 dates I can think of

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2 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

But I guess that because there just 3 different Ervin sessions — which only came out spread across like 5 (or is it 6?) different LP’s. Always hard to keep track of without a scorecard (and even then).

Especially on Prestige in the 50's and 60's.  "Let's scrape up six cuts from different tapes somewhere in the vault and call it an album".

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16 hours ago, danasgoodstuff said:

Booker Ervin, The Trance 10/27/65 -  Booker, Jaki, Reggie Workman, Dawson

Booker Ervin, Setting the Pace, date? - Booker, Dexter, Jaki, Reggie, Dawson

Booker Ervin, The Song Book 2/27/64 - Booker, Tommy Flanagan, Richard Davis, Dawson

Booker Ervin, The Blues 6/30/64 - Booker, Carmel Jones, Gildo Mahones, R. Davis, Dawson

that's all the 2/3 dates I can think of

Setting the Pace is from the same recording session as The Trance.

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6 hours ago, GA Russell said:

Live at Lennie's on the Turnpike

April 15, 1965

Joe Farrell (ts, ss, fl)
Jaki Byard (p)
George Tucker (b)
Alan Dawson (d)

I own all of the above titles, including the Chuck Florence CD, and wrote the liner notes for The Last From Lennie's from that date.

The producer sent me the leftover unissued takes.

I've yet to hear a bad or even mediocre Jaki Byard recording.

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15 minutes ago, bresna said:

What the hell is this (Prestige – PRCD-24293-2):

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I've never seen this CD in my life. Is it any good?

I see that I can listen/download this on bandcamp. Nice!

I've got that disc, I'm pretty sure -- definitely, I just pulled it off the shelf.  Here's the details...

Tracks 1-8 originally released as 'Grits & Gravy' (Prestige 7486)
Tracks 9-10 previously unissued
Tracks 11-16 as 'First Class Kloss!' (Prestige 7520)

https://www.discogs.com/release/3407629-Eric-Kloss-First-Class (US issue)

https://www.discogs.com/release/4265139-Eric-Kloss-First-Class (German issue)

Identical discs, covers, probably liners too.  The "notes" section of each entry on discogs has different (complimentary, not-conflicting) info.

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2 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

I've got that disc, I'm pretty sure -- definitely, I just pulled it off the shelf.  Here's the details...

Tracks 1-8 originally released as 'Grits & Gravy' (Prestige 7486)
Tracks 9-10 previously unissued
Tracks 11-16 as 'First Class Kloss!' (Prestige 7520)

https://www.discogs.com/release/3407629-Eric-Kloss-First-Class (US issue)

https://www.discogs.com/release/4265139-Eric-Kloss-First-Class (German issue)

Identical discs, covers, probably liners too.  The "notes" section of each entry on discogs has different (complimentary, not-conflicting) info.

The vocals on "Grits & Gravy", particularly the title track, don't do much for me. The singer(s) are uncredited.

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One that kinda flies under the radar, and is now pretty hard to come by cheaply on any format, is Groovin' High. Leftovers from the Space Book and Blues Book sessions, but the alt take of "The Second" is so killer. One of my favorite Ervin discs that you should definitely check out if you haven't.

Byard's solo on that cut is especially mind-melting. 

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5 hours ago, clifford_thornton said:

Would be interested to hear the tracks with "The Rhythm Section"... 

Kloss in in way over his head, but he seems to know it and doesn't try to avoid the considerable challenges in front of him. Or behind him, wherever they were.

 

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12 hours ago, Ken Dryden said:

I own all of the above titles, including the Chuck Florence CD, and wrote the liner notes for The Last From Lennie's from that date.

The producer sent me the leftover unissued takes.

I've yet to hear a bad or even mediocre Jaki Byard recording.

That's great, Ken!  I'll have to pull out the Lennie's CD and re-read your notes.

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12 hours ago, JSngry said:

Kloss in in way over his head, but he seems to know it and doesn't try to avoid the considerable challenges in front of him. Or behind him, wherever they were.

 

Yeah, Land of Giants is one I haven't had on deck in a while -- I remember not thinking as highly of it, maybe that he was "getting in the way" of Ervin and company. Should reinvestigate as it's just sitting in the racks.

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12 hours ago, JSngry said:

Kloss in in way over his head, but he seems to know it and doesn't try to avoid the considerable challenges in front of him. Or behind him, wherever they were.

 

Agreed, and totally understandable.  He was 17 and 18 years old when those albums were recorded.

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