Tubby Hayes

[Man with the Golden Arm]

now to only get that "100 % Proof" re-issued!

from that "other" jazz board that i only frequent on the third tuesday of months beginning with P i gather that there exists a stereo tape of that that is to be the holy grail.

[Bill Fenohr]

I guess i don't get the importance of a stereo tape of 100% Proof, as i have it on a stereo lp. Unless it is lost, there is a stereo master of that session.

Please enlighten me if i am missing something.

[Man with the Golden Arm]

i had read form the gents in the know on the AAJ that the Japanese Fotana re-issue from a few years back (that I have a CDR of) was taken from an inferior mono pressing in it's original form and that the re-issue suffers from much distortion that was not on the stereo master? i have no idea whether that might promote some sort of future issue of the date but apparently that and the "Mexican Green" were not up to snuff of what "could have been". just paraphrasing here...

[BbM7]

IAN HAMER SEXTET With KEITH CHRISTIE/TUBBY HAYES/ALAN SKIDMORE/ALAN BRANSCOMBE/DICK MORRISSEY et al

Picked this up at Downtown Music Gallery a couple of days back. More Tubby is always a good thing.

Read about it or search for it online at http://www.downtownmusicgallery.com

http://www.downtownmusicgallery.com/Main/n...2005-01-21.html

I'll try to post a review when I can get access to a CD player.

[Son-of-a-Weizen]

Someone over at AAJ recently said that M. Cuscuna relayed info about Alfred Lion squirreling away in the vault a bunch of tape copies of Tempo masters, and wondered aloud if they might contain unissued material....and about the possibility of a Hayes/Complete Jazz Couriers Mosaic Select using Tempo/Carlton material. Sounded interesting. I should find that thread.

[Son-of-a-Weizen]

http://forums.allaboutjazz.com/showthread....94434#post94434

[jazzbo]

I was definitely sleeping at the switch regarding that Ian Hammer Sextet two cd set. Found out about it last week and ordered it from caiman this weekend. . . will be fun to hear new (to me) Tubby!

[sidewinder]

Someone over at AAJ recently said that M. Cuscuna relayed info about Alfred Lion squirreling away in the vault a bunch of tape copies of Tempo masters, and wondered aloud if they might contain unissued material....and about the possibility of a Hayes/Complete Jazz Couriers Mosaic Select using Tempo/Carlton material.  Sounded interesting.  I should find that thread.

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Of course! Tony Hall and Alfred Lion probably had a tape exchange going as a by-product of the 'Blues In Trinity' session by Tubbs, recorded under Hall's juristiction in London. Tempo session in disguise !

[sidewinder]

Great news on the Tubby Hayes front. Looks as though Universal UK are going to reissue a whole load of Tubby Hayes Fontanas this fall. Amongst the titles I know about are the following:

'Return Visit' (with Roland Kirk)

'Mexican Green' ( )

'100% Proof'

'Tubbs Tours'

not sure about 'Tubbs' but I suspect it might be in there too.

Looks like these will be taken from original stereo masters and not (as with the Japanese '100% Proof') from a mono source.

My local Jazz dealer showed me the release paperwork from Universal so its happening, brothers ! Standby to standby with your plastic at Dusty Groove.....

[sidewinder]

I was definitely sleeping at the switch regarding that Ian Hammer Sextet two cd set.  Found out about it last week and ordered it from caiman this weekend. . . will be fun to hear new (to me) Tubby!

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You will enjoy it. Some very nice Tubby on it, not to mention choice playing from Ian Hamer. Some of the material is very much in a jazz-rock vein too.

[Rosco]

Great news on the Tubby Hayes front. Looks as though Universal UK are going to reissue a whole load of Tubby Hayes Fontanas this fall. Amongst the titles I know about are the following:

'Return Visit' (with Roland Kirk)

'Mexican Green' (   )

'100% Proof'

'Tubbs Tours'

not sure about 'Tubbs' but I suspect it might be in there too.

Looks like these will be taken from original stereo masters and not (as with the Japanese '100% Proof') from a mono source.

My local Jazz dealer showed me the release paperwork from Universal so its happening, brothers !  Standby to standby with your plastic at Dusty Groove.....

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This is great news!!!!!

[sidewinder]

Anyone who doesn't have 'Mexican Green' should jump for that one immediately. I never much liked the sound of my old Mole Jazz LP but have recently replaced with a Fontana LP and it sounds magnificent. A cliche I know but this is probably Tubby's finest LP.

[Pete B]

Don't forget the new set of BBC Transcriptions from Art of Life Records

One of my friends has heard some of them and he tells me they are outstanding. Paul tells me he expects to have them in stock in a couple of weeks.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

If these upcoming releases in the UK were SACDs, I'd be ecstatic. As it is, I just bought these expensive CDs from Japan. I won't be buying them again. Oh how I wish these labels would put out more SACDs. Don't they realize it's an easy way to get new buyers? Just these 4 titles would get my money for SACDs... in a second.

Later,

Kevin

[David Ayers]

Great news. Certainly, the sound on the Japanese CD version of 100% Proof was a bit disappointing (and I missed the CD of Mexican Green altogether). These reissues are going to be fantastic!

[Kevin Bresnahan]

I used to think that the more recent the remastering effort, the better it would be. As the years have worn on, I am not finding that to be true in many cases. I am particularly disappointed by the number of recent remasters where the audio is clipped because the levels are too high. This clipping tends to fatigue me after 30 minutes or so. Granted, this phenomena seems more prevalent in the rock & roll world, but it is everywhere lately.

To date, I have only had one SACD that I didn't think was an improvement over the standard CD. I like that about SACDs. They just sound better to my ears.

As "bad" as the Japanese version of "100% Proof" is reported to be, I didn't find it too bad at all. I actually thought it sounded fine. Mono, sure, but not hissy or boomy... just mono. Quite honestly, many people might prefer the mono mix on some dates. There seems to be a huge number of Beatles fans who pay exorbitant $$ for mono LPs. The same goes for Blue Note sessions.

As I said, I'd love to commit to buying these upcoming reissues, and if I hadn't just paid big bucks for these Japanese versions, I'd be jumping for joy. However, I did just buy them and the sound on them isn't bad enough to make me re-buy them. If they were SACDs, I'd pre-order them!

Later,

Kevin

Edited July 12, 2005 by Kevin Bresnahan

[Guest]

I used to think that the more recent the remastering effort, the better it would be. As the years have worn on, I am not finding that to be true in many cases. I am particularly disappointed by the number of recent remasters where the audio is clipped because the levels are too high. This clipping tends to fatigue me after 30 minutes or so. Granted, this phenomena seems more prevalent in the rock & roll world, but it is everywhere lately.

To date, I have only had one SACD that I didn't think was an improvement over the standard CD. I like that about SACDs. They just sound better to my ears.

As "bad" as the Japanese version of "100% Proof" is reported to be, I didn't find it too bad at all. I actually thought it sounded fine. Mono, sure, but not hissy or boomy... just mono. Quite honestly, many people might prefer the mono mix on some dates. There seems to be a huge number of Beatles fans who pay exorbitant $$ for mono LPs. The same goes for Blue Note sessions.

As I said, I'd love to commit to buying these upcoming reissues, and if I hadn't just paid big bucks for these Japanese versions, I'd be jumping for joy. However, I did just buy them and the sound on them isn't bad enough to make me re-buy them. If they were SACDs, I'd pre-order them!

Later,

Kevin

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Assuming we have these Fontana Tubbs reissued in their original glorious stereo versions, then Mexican Green has to be the prime target, followed closely by 100% Proof. To have heard the latter only in mono is not really to have heard it in all its true colours. 100% Proof in stereo will blow your head clean off to borrow a well-worn cliche. Return Visit aka Tubby's back in Town is excellent too but again needs to be heard in stereo as do they all. I was disappointed with the mono versions of 100% and Return in the Japanese pressings and the mastering of Tubbs was not all that good, generally. But to have these albums reissued in the UK after all this time is very, very welcome and especially in this the 70th anniversary year of Tubbs' birth. For these and more news of other Tubbs "new" releases checkout http://www.geocities.com/tubbs1935

[Man with the Golden Arm]

welcome Roger!

great to see your astute writings over here rather than on that 'other' site.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

Return Visit aka Tubby's back in Town is excellent too but again needs to be heard in stereo as do they all.

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Roger, I have Tubby's "Return Visit" on a gold CD from the Smash label. I believe it's in stereo. It's sounds very good to my ears. Do you have this version as well as the Japanese CD?

Kevin

[Guest]

Return Visit aka Tubby's back in Town is excellent too but again needs to be heard in stereo as do they all.

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Roger, I have Tubby's "Return Visit" on a gold CD from the Smash label. I believe it's in stereo. It's sounds very good to my ears. Do you have this version as well as the Japanese CD?

Kevin

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Hi Kevin

Yes thanks to your timely email I managed to buy what I guess was the last copy of that limited edition gold CD of Tubby's back in Town (aka Return Visit). I also had the Japanese mono version but the gold Smash CD is excellent. Thanks again for the heads up on that one.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

I do not have "Mexican Green" on LP. Roger, you have this on a stereo LP... how does it compare to the Japanese CD? As I said above, I thought these Japanese remasters sounded OK. Maybe the stereo version of "100% Proof" might pry my money out of my hands, but would it really be worth it for "Mexican Green"?

Later,

Kevin

[baryshnikov]

In the night, on Down in the village, is a great modal tune, superb album, nice vibes too. Try Gilles Peterson Impressed one and two, the best in british jazz, inc Don Rendell, Ian carr, Tubby, Mike Westbrook, two fabulous cds, especially Dusk Fire, very deep and haunting, and Blue Mosque, beautiful , paul

[sidewinder]

Interesting comments about the mono 100% Proof. I have this one on a good original Fontana mono LP and it sounds excellent to my ears. Perhaps the transfer which was done to CD was less than optimal. In any case, as long as it is around the £10 mark I'll probably pick up the stereo CD when it comes out (don't have the Japanese issue).

I have no complaints re: the Jap CD issues of 'Tubbs', 'Tubbs Tours' and the two disks recorded at Ronnie Scotts.

Edited July 12, 2005 by sidewinder

[sidewinder]

I do not have "Mexican Green" on LP. Roger, you have this on a stereo LP... how does it compare

With respect to the LPs, the Mole reissue is definitely inferior to the Fontana in terms of sound quality.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

Interesting comments about the mono 100% Proof. I have this one on a good original Fontana mono LP and it sounds excellent to my ears. Perhaps the transfer which was done to CD was less than optimal.

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Maybe you can get your hands on a copy of this Japanese CD to compare? I imagine Roger might be able to help you find a "listener's copy". I'd be curious as to what you think. No one seems to know what the Japanese reissues had for source material.

Later,

Kevin

Edited July 12, 2005 by Kevin Bresnahan