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[Quasimado]

Just reading an old ‘Do the Math’ interview Ethan Iverson did with Wayne Shorter (2015). Wayne talks briefly about appreciating the Tristano people (among others), and Ethan has added a brief excerpt from an unreleased session of Wayne soloing with the Johnny Eaton group (1956), playing “What is this Thing Called Love”.

I had heard talk of Warne being an influence on Wayne, and never paid it any special heed, but here it sounds as if Wayne is almost channeling Warne in his solo, even including quotes from the melody of Lee’s “Subconscious Lee” (same changes). Wayne was obviously very familiar with the music of the Tristano people, and of Warne in particular.

You can listen to the excerpt - it's about halfway through the interview – a fine solo …

[Quasimado]

The site is here: https://ethaniverson.com/interview-with-wayne-shorter/

[JSngry]

I discovered Plugged Nickel Wayne about the same time as I began a deeper dive into .Wayne. The kindred spiritness was immediately apparent imo. 

[Rabshakeh]

"Whoa. Uh oh, spaghetti-o! Now we’re talking!"

Great opening line.

[Big Beat Steve]

5 hours ago, Quasimado said:

...  and Ethan has added a brief excerpt from an unreleased session of Wayne soloing with the Johnny Eaton group (1956), playing “What is this Thing Called Love”.

 

Is this THE Johnny Eaton of the below release?

https://www.discogs.com/master/1321415-Johnny-Eaton-And-His-Princetonians-College-Jazz-Modern

[JSngry]

it is

[Big Beat Steve]

Not all that comparable to the excerpt featuring Wayne Shorter but not quite as subpar IMO as the devastating review by Nat Hentoff in Down Beat reads.

[Rooster_Ties]

Who’s “Jimmy”?

WS: Oh, yeah. Well, actually a lot of us played like him. There’s a guy from Jersey City, what’s his name, Jimmy…he played really like Charlie Parker. It was a close match. He knew all the stuff, “Star Eyes” and all the breaks and all that.

[jlhoots]

29 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said:

Who’s “Jimmy”?

WS: Oh, yeah. Well, actually a lot of us played like him. There’s a guy from Jersey City, what’s his name, Jimmy…he played really like Charlie Parker. It was a close match. He knew all the stuff, “Star Eyes” and all the breaks and all that.

? Jimmy Halperin. Not sure. Maybe not old enough.

Edited January 5, 2023 by jlhoots

[Rooster_Ties]

2 hours ago, Rabshakeh said:

"Whoa. Uh oh, spaghetti-o! Now we’re talking!"

Great opening line.

Yeah — reading that’s gonna keep a smile on my face pertineer all day!
 

And I can SO hear Wayne saying that too — but not just hear him — it’s that look in his eyes as he said it (which is just as easy to imagine, as hearing him).

Classic Wayne!

[clifford_thornton]

That bit of Wayne/Warne is pretty wonderful. 

Fascinating interview. 

[Rabshakeh]

Good interview, although, in classic Iverson style, it ignores the last five decades entirely. You would think Shorter retired after he left Miles Davis and never recorded again.

[cayetano]

On 1/5/2023 at 3:03 PM, Rooster_Ties said:

Who’s “Jimmy”?

WS: Oh, yeah. Well, actually a lot of us played like him. There’s a guy from Jersey City, what’s his name, Jimmy…he played really like Charlie Parker. It was a close match. He knew all the stuff, “Star Eyes” and all the breaks and all that.

Jimmy Lyons?

[clifford_thornton]

I thought that at first, too, but Lyons wasn't in Jersey very long.

[JSngry]

Not Jimmy Ford either, right?