Horace Silver Quintet Live New York, Revisited

[romualdo]

Just received a batch of the Hat Hut ezz-thetics Revisited CDs (via Tommy's Jazz & Squidco)

This live Horace S Quintet (64-66) is absolutely superb (including SQ) from a stellar period in his career. It's basically a compilation of live tracks that Horace released on the Emerald label (one LP & one CD), which was a subsidiary of Silveto. The whole of Emerald CD 1003 (Half Note) is replicated (sans the Alan Grant Intro) & two tracks (of 4) from the Emerald LP 1001 (Cork & Bib) making 80 minutes in toto.

For Joe Henderson fans it's a real bonus - standout track imho is The Tokyo Blues (Cork & Bib) running in at 15 minutes.

BTW the Emerald CD was rereleased on the 32 Jazz label, titled Re-Entry. Looks like the two Cork & Bib titles are on CD for the first time.

[Dan Gould]

The entire LP from 1964 should have been issued, IMO instead of a reissue of something that came out twice before and 1/2 of the LP.

https://www.discogs.com/release/2679867-Horace-Silver-Live-1964

[Kevin Bresnahan]

When did Hat Art/ezz-thetics go full bootleg? This stuff isn't anywhere near PD in Switzerland and there's no mention of "licensed from" on the CD art:

[jazzbo]

It seems it started two years or so ago.

[colinmce]

It started out with some promise-- I did appreciate the Ayler series and the Fontana albums. But now he's just skimming from Blue Note and OJC, I can scarcely imagine anything more redundant. 

[Kevin Bresnahan]

6 minutes ago, colinmce said:

It started out with some promise-- I did appreciate the Ayler series and the Fontana albums. But now he's just skimming from Blue Note and OJC, I can scarcely imagine anything more redundant. 

I guess they figure that if it works for Fresh Sound, why not?

[Rooster_Ties]

I’m irrationally offended by the orange-cover clearly not-licensed ‘reissues’ specifically of Blue Note studio material — from what I had always presumed was a legit label.

‘Incensed’ is clearly too strong a word, and would just be hyperbolic — but they do kinda piss me off whenever I see them on Dusty Groove website listings.

[Dan Gould]

Realizing there is no respect for the artist's estate or legal interests by this company, and remembering that I had once interacted with Greg Silver about another Horace Silver boot, I've dug up that email and sent a new message to Greg.

[romualdo]

11 hours ago, bresna said:

When did Hat Art/ezz-thetics go full bootleg? This stuff isn't anywhere near PD in Switzerland and there's no mention of "licensed from" on the CD art:

Wow!! I always thought they were legit - have been buying their material (CDs) since the early 90s

the bootlegging probably relates to the Revisited series (11xx) - admittedly I have been perplexed by the Blue Note & OJC inclusions

https://www.discogs.com/label/171702-REVISITED

[soulpope]

In general I dislike reissues featuring only a part of the original release .... even this is a sort of disrespect ....

[Daniel A]

For some of these releases SUISA is listed as the "Rights society" on Discogs. I suppose it says so on the actual CDs. If that is true, some mechanical rights seem to be honored at least. To me, this makes it unlikely that these are "true" bootlegs, but what do I know?

[Eric]

The CDs and/or their web site tout improved mastering, with little explanation.  Given their prior history, I am willing to be open minded, but this all seems a little sketchy.

[Chuck Nessa]

Unfair competition in the marketplace for 100% legit operations.

[Late]

On 12/7/2022 at 7:16 AM, colinmce said:

It started out with some promise-- I did appreciate the Ayler series and the Fontana albums. But now he's just skimming from Blue Note and OJC, I can scarcely imagine anything more redundant. 

👍

The choice to reissue the classic Miles Davis Prestige titles is not just perplexing, but silly—especially when the Hat back catalog could be mined. That said, the live Ayler reissues were licensed from Desiree Ayler, so the label isn't full bootleg...yet.

The latest Paul Bley reissue (Trio Plays Annette Peacock) is of value, though it does appear to be a bootleg. Michael Brändli resuscitated the old Limelight LP ("Mr. Joy"), which sounded absolutely atrocious on vinyl. Now it's quite listenable. Verve was never going to do anything with this obscure record. Still...

Edited December 9, 2022 by Late

[Д.Д.]

The sound quality improvement on Coltrane's Half Note recordings is quite dramatic, so I am a convert. 

   

[Late]

A huge missed opportunity, for those Half Note recordings, to include the track "Creation," the best solo Coltrane ever recorded.

[soulpope]

1 hour ago, Late said:

A huge missed opportunity, for those Half Note recordings, to include the track "Creation," the best solo Coltrane ever recorded.

https://youtu.be/Zrmx0Zjsvgo

[Michael Weiss]

On 12/10/2022 at 1:57 PM, Late said:

A huge missed opportunity, for those Half Note recordings, to include the track "Creation," the best solo Coltrane ever recorded.

That’s my phone’s ringtone.

[Daniel A]

On 12/8/2022 at 2:10 PM, Eric said:

The CDs and/or their web site tout improved mastering, with little explanation.  Given their prior history, I am willing to be open minded, but this all seems a little sketchy.

I sent an email to Hat Hut a couple of months ago, asking whether these recordings were licenced. There was no reply.

[Dan Gould]

1 hour ago, Daniel A said:

I sent an email to Hat Hut a couple of months ago, asking whether these recordings were licenced. There was no reply.

An answer in and of itself.

[Late]

The entire ezz-thetics catalog has been pulled from Bandcamp.

[colinmce]

from the website:

Quote

Bandcamp: 
We took the offer of „Revisited" CDs down to concentrate with priority on the now-ezz-thetics series.

maybe he should consider extending that priority to not wasting the world's resources printing Out To Lunch on CD

[Kevin Bresnahan]

I have learned that because these Ezz-thetics CDs are being issued in Switzerland, which is not part of EU, they fall into some sort of PD black hole. I thought that was only true for Andorra, but apparently not. So these may be PD in Switzerland unless someone can tell us otherwise. This will change quickly if Ezz-thetics decides to start releasing Beatles CDs.

[Daniel A]

I found this on the Downbeat site:

"Due to Switzerland’s public domain laws, material recorded prior to 1970 doesn’t require any licensing agreement, so Uehlinger, with the massive help of recording engineer Michael Brändli, has been releasing new packages of previously issued work from artists like Marion Brown, Archie Shepp, John Coltrane and Paul Bley, to say nothing of vintage Charlie Parker work."

https://downbeat.com/news/detail/ezz-thetics-reissues-60s-free-jazz-classics

As far as I can tell, the duration of so called "neighboring rights" in Switzerland is still 50 years, i.e. they have expired for anything recorded and/or released up to 1972.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

4 hours ago, Daniel A said:

I found this on the Downbeat site:

"Due to Switzerland’s public domain laws, material recorded prior to 1970 doesn’t require any licensing agreement, so Uehlinger, with the massive help of recording engineer Michael Brändli, has been releasing new packages of previously issued work from artists like Marion Brown, Archie Shepp, John Coltrane and Paul Bley, to say nothing of vintage Charlie Parker work."

https://downbeat.com/news/detail/ezz-thetics-reissues-60s-free-jazz-classics

As far as I can tell, the duration of so called "neighboring rights" in Switzerland is still 50 years, i.e. they have expired for anything recorded and/or released up to 1972.

All someone has to do is start a label in Switzerland and release a bunch of Beatles or Rolling Stones LPs on "Switzerland PD" CDs and watch how quickly they change those rules. It's never a problem to screw with the "little guys"... not when you mess with the money.