Previously unreleased Benny Carter (and others including Dizzy)

[medjuck]

Benny's close friend Ira Nepus just sent me this

https://paw.princeton.edu/article/glenn-dryfoos-83-just-released-jazz-great-benny-carters-princeton-recordings

[jazzbo]

Interesting! Thanks for posting.

At first I read it as "Betty Carter" and got really excited. I'd love to have a lot more Betty Carter to listen to.

[Justin V]

1 hour ago, jazzbo said:

Interesting! Thanks for posting.

At first I read it as "Betty Carter" and got really excited. I'd love to have a lot more Betty Carter to listen to.

Coincidentally, I recently bought a Carmen McRae/Betty Carter album that I thought was a McRae/Benny Carter album.   It ended up being a happy accident.

[JSngry]

I've yet to be disappointed by Benny Carter's playing. Spunky! 

[jazzbo]

43 minutes ago, Justin V said:

Coincidentally, I recently bought a Carmen McRae/Betty Carter album that I thought was a McRae/Benny Carter album.   It ended up being a happy accident.

Yes, that's a good one!

[Dan Gould]

I do not understand the decision to make these unreleased Benny Carter recordings only available on streaming platforms. Nor do I quite get how that maximizes revenue to the Harlem Jazz Museum.

 

[mjzee]

Looks like at least some of the volumes are available to purchase via download from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0B9FHD6C3?ref=sr_1_3&keywords=benny+carter+live+at+princeton&crid=168CIVCUUHQDB&sprefix=benny+carter%2Caps%2C82&qid=1668721051&sr=8-3

https://www.amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0BBZDVLGN?ref=sr_1_4&keywords=benny+carter+live+at+princeton&crid=168CIVCUUHQDB&sprefix=benny+carter%2Caps%2C82&qid=1668721051&sr=8-4

I also came across this intriguing but uninformative Amazon page; tune in tomorrow!

https://www.amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0BF8KCLQR?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&trackAsin=B0BF986DM1&ref=sr_1_6&keywords=benny+carter+live+at+princeton&crid=168CIVCUUHQDB&sprefix=benny+carter%2Caps%2C82&qid=1668721051&sr=8-6

[miles65]

There is a bit more on the NJM website Benny Carter: The Princeton Concerts – National Jazz Museum in Harlem (jmih.org)

[mjzee]

Turns out Amazon has all 8 volumes - do a search on Amazon for benny carter Princeton concerts.  $8.99 a volume.  Unfortunately, no discographical info provided.

[Dan Gould]

13 hours ago, mjzee said:

Turns out Amazon has all 8 volumes - do a search on Amazon for benny carter Princeton concerts.  $8.99 a volume.  Unfortunately, no discographical info provided.

Thanks for discovering this ... I understood it to be streaming only so knowing that all can be had as downloads is good to know. 

[Kevin Bresnahan]

14 hours ago, mjzee said:

Turns out Amazon has all 8 volumes - do a search on Amazon for benny carter Princeton concerts.  $8.99 a volume.  Unfortunately, no discographical info provided.

But the story on the National Jazz Museum of Harlem webpage is clear, "Mrs. Hilma Carter has made a gift of this music to the National Jazz Museum in Harlem to support their mission of preserving, promoting, and presenting jazz. It is her wish that the music be made available free of charge, and the museum is placing it across the world’s most popular streaming services."

So why $8.99 & who is getting that $8.99?

And before I am asked, I get why a label has to charge for physical product, but as noted, Amazon is selling a download. This would seem to fit closely with "streaming". The playing of a stream uses no more data than a download - probably less in fact.

[mjzee]

2 hours ago, bresna said:

So why $8.99 & who is getting that $8.99?

The copyright on the Amazon pages says "℗© 2022 National Jazz Museum in Harlem".  But you can also stream them, assuming you have an Amazon Music subscription.

I'm wary of buying these downloads because I bought 3 downloads of Savory tapes from Apple, only to subsequently see Mosaic release their box set.  Perhaps these 8 Benny Carter dates will also eventually come out as a Mosaic box?

[Dan Gould]

15 minutes ago, mjzee said:

The copyright on the Amazon pages says "℗© 2022 National Jazz Museum in Harlem".  But you can also stream them, assuming you have an Amazon Music subscription.

I'm wary of buying these downloads because I bought 3 downloads of Savory tapes from Apple, only to subsequently see Mosaic release their box set.  Perhaps these 8 Benny Carter dates will also eventually come out as a Mosaic box?

At $9 per I am not going to sweat that possibility. If anything, should that happen, I'd probably just try to buy a copy of the Mosaic booklet then.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

17 minutes ago, mjzee said:

The copyright on the Amazon pages says "℗© 2022 National Jazz Museum in Harlem".  But you can also stream them, assuming you have an Amazon Music subscription.

But again, requiring a paid subscription goes against the wishes of the Carter family.

And I do have Amazon Prime Music, but on November 1st, they rendered that service pretty much useless when they removed the ability to stream specific tunes, only allowing for a "random" playback. A few days ago, I clicked on a Joe Chambers tune from his Horace Silver tribute CD and got a tune from a gospel singer.

[Peter Friedman]

I have streamed /downloaded all 8 volumes of this Benny Carter material from Apple Music. Does anyone have the personnel information?  I checked LORD, and was unable to find it.

[Dan Gould]

1 hour ago, Peter Friedman said:

I have streamed /downloaded all 8 volumes of this Benny Carter material from Apple Music. Does anyone have the personnel information?  I checked LORD, and was unable to find it.

Considering how fresh it is I wouldn't expect it on Lord. I actually thought that you could figure out from the shows because there would be a track that would include stage announcements.

I can try to reach Loren and get him to give details. I'll let the board know.

[Peter Friedman]

7 minutes ago, Dan Gould said:

Considering how fresh it is I wouldn't expect it on Lord. I actually thought that you could figure out from the shows because there would be a track that would include stage announcements.

I can try to reach Loren and get him to give details. I'll let the board know.

I haven't listened to any of the Vol's yet. You may be right that stage announcements would provide personnel information. If as I listen the personnel information is referred to, I will pass it on here.

[Dan Gould]

Loren referred me to "videos" and the best I can do from youtube is this:

(from the announcement there is a Dizzy, a Sweets and a Barry Harris that are unknown for the moment)

Volume 1:

Benny Carter, alto saxophone Hank Jones, piano Milt Hinton, bass Ronnie Zito, drums

Volume 2:

Benny Carter, alto saxophone Clark Terry, trumpet/flugel Horn Hank Jones, piano Bucky Pizzarelli, guitar Milt Hinton, bass Grady Tate, drums

Volume 3:

Benny Carter: Alto Saxophone Trumpets: Jon Faddis, Joe Newman, Victor Paz, Ernie Royal Trombones: Eddie Bert, Dickie Harris, Quentin Jackson, Jimmy Knepper Alto Saxophones: George Dorsey, Jerry Dodgion (+flute) Tenor Saxophones: Budd Johnson, Billy Mitchell Baritone Saxophone: George Barrow Piano: Roland Hanna Guitar: Wally Richardson Bass: Major Holley Drums: Mousie Alexander Vocal: Hale Smith Percussion: Ray Barretto

 

Volume 4:

Benny Carter, alto saxophone Joe Newman, trumpet Sir Roland Hanna, piano Bucky Pizzarelli, guitar Richard Davis, bass Richie Pratt, drums

Volume 5:

Benny Carter, alto saxophone Dizzy Gillespie, trumpet Barry Harris, piano Stanley Jordan, guitar Joe Kennedy, violin Larry Ridley, bass Yusef Ali, drums

Volume 6:

Benny Carter, alto saxophone Harry “Sweets” Edison, trumpet Derek Smith, piano George Duvivier, bass Ronnie Bedford, drums

Volume 7:

Benny Carter, alto saxophone Chris Neville, piano Steve LaSpina, bass Jackie Williams, drums

Volume 8:

Benny Carter featuring Al Tinney, Lou Hackney, and Jerry McClam.

Edited November 28, 2022 by Dan Gould
Edited to add volume 5 info

[Dub Modal]

These are streaming on YT music and so I would assume across all other streaming platforms. Fantastic line ups. Can't wait to check these out. 

[Peter Friedman]

12 hours ago, Dan Gould said:

Loren referred me to "videos" and the best I can do from youtube is this:

(from the announcement there is a Dizzy, a Sweets and a Barry Harris that are unknown for the moment)

Volume 1:

Benny Carter, alto saxophone Hank Jones, piano Milt Hinton, bass Ronnie Zito, drums

Volume 2:

Benny Carter, alto saxophone Clark Terry, trumpet/flugel Horn Hank Jones, piano Bucky Pizzarelli, guitar Milt Hinton, bass Grady Tate, drums

Volume 3:

Benny Carter: Alto Saxophone Trumpets: Jon Faddis, Joe Newman, Victor Paz, Ernie Royal Trombones: Eddie Bert, Dickie Harris, Quentin Jackson, Jimmy Knepper Alto Saxophones: George Dorsey, Jerry Dodgion (+flute) Tenor Saxophones: Budd Johnson, Billy Mitchell Baritone Saxophone: George Barrow Piano: Roland Hanna Guitar: Wally Richardson Bass: Major Holley Drums: Mousie Alexander Vocal: Hale Smith Percussion: Ray Barretto

 

Volume 4:

Benny Carter, alto saxophone Joe Newman, trumpet Sir Roland Hanna, piano Bucky Pizzarelli, guitar Richard Davis, bass Richie Pratt, drums

 

Volume 8:

Benny Carter featuring Al Tinney, Lou Hackney, and Jerry McClam.

Thanks Dan, I appreciate you following up on this question.

[Dan Gould]

36 minutes ago, Peter Friedman said:

Thanks Dan, I appreciate you following up on this question.

No problem ... and Loren advises that he will be uploading other tracks to youtube from the remaining volumes, so if we keep an eye on the Harlem Jazz Museum page we'll get the details on the rest in short order.

https://www.youtube.com/@NationalJazzMuseuminHarlem

[Justin V]

16 hours ago, Dan Gould said:

Loren referred me to "videos" and the best I can do from youtube is this:

(from the announcement there is a Dizzy, a Sweets and a Barry Harris that are unknown for the moment)

Volume 1:

Benny Carter, alto saxophone Hank Jones, piano Milt Hinton, bass Ronnie Zito, drums

Volume 2:

Benny Carter, alto saxophone Clark Terry, trumpet/flugel Horn Hank Jones, piano Bucky Pizzarelli, guitar Milt Hinton, bass Grady Tate, drums

Volume 3:

Benny Carter: Alto Saxophone Trumpets: Jon Faddis, Joe Newman, Victor Paz, Ernie Royal Trombones: Eddie Bert, Dickie Harris, Quentin Jackson, Jimmy Knepper Alto Saxophones: George Dorsey, Jerry Dodgion (+flute) Tenor Saxophones: Budd Johnson, Billy Mitchell Baritone Saxophone: George Barrow Piano: Roland Hanna Guitar: Wally Richardson Bass: Major Holley Drums: Mousie Alexander Vocal: Hale Smith Percussion: Ray Barretto

 

Volume 4:

Benny Carter, alto saxophone Joe Newman, trumpet Sir Roland Hanna, piano Bucky Pizzarelli, guitar Richard Davis, bass Richie Pratt, drums

 

Volume 8:

Benny Carter featuring Al Tinney, Lou Hackney, and Jerry McClam.

Al Tinney!  I didn't expect him to pop up here.

[JSngry]

$8 for a download is not streaming. YouTube is streaming. What am I missing? 

That big band looks interesting. Hale Smith?!?!?!? 

[Niko]

Thanks for looking up the lineups! Some of those volumes are well over 2 hours btw, so in total all 8 volumes are about 15 hours of music...

[Gheorghe]

Wasn´t Benny Carter very much on those late Pablo albums ? There was one with Diz, but I never heard it, and one I think under his own name with "Mellow Tone" on it. But did he really play alto AND trumpet ? 

I don´t remember nothing special about that "Mellow Tone" but it swung.