CJ Shearn Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 http://bit.ly/3U2ZD7Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Gross. (Not the article; rather, what the article describes.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Hard to find any real positivity when thinking about ai produced art and potential effects and outcomes. Yet it's being heavily financed into existence despite a clear lack of demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 3 hours ago, CJ Shearn said: http://bit.ly/3U2ZD7Q Why not post the actual link? Hard to know where the heck a link on bit.ly will end up (or any other sort of URL shortener)... https://medium.com/@cjshearn/deepfake-technology-for-music-is-dangerous-dystopian-and-unethical-a293d9f8c7d0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 I think we are missing the best part of this, which is that the way contemporary pop music is produced and processed, no one will be able to tell the difference: https://pitchfork.com/news/holly-herndon-covers-dolly-parton-jolene-using-ai-listen/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesnik Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 What I see disturbing in all of that is that music making like it used to be known will soon be a thing of the past. Perhaps not for us. But for the generations following us. They already love their music Autotuned and the artists like the artificiality of it above all else. So this is already in place. And the music from the 20s to the 90s (of the XX Century and before) is only valued by a couple of mammoths like us. Very good the article in Pitchfork, which has been a source for me since the late 2000s. Specially its follow-up called Will AI lead to new creative frontiers, or take the pleasure out of music? That article is really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 There was a time when this would have disturbed me. That time has long passed. This is the game plan of any institution, be it corporate, educational, cult, mass media, you name it. They want you to learn their rules to do things their way so as to create a market to get other people to want to do things their way, over and over again. If you break their rules, you will either be stomped down or else your rule-breaking will become acceptable and then they're figure out a formula and then add that to their rules. This is not about music, not even. This is about product, period, controlling the means of production from start to finish. There's an audience for it, there always is. If there wasn't, the "average consumer" would be drowning in excellent choices that go outside the box. Instead, there's a line waiting to get inside the back. Some friendly advice - stop waiting for any commercial institution to do something good for you. That's not really why they're there. Are you ready to embrace the underground, go all in on not being even a a partial part of this mainstream of manipulation? If not, just shut up about it. And I say that with love in my heart and clarity in my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Dub Modal said: Hard to find any real positivity when thinking about ai produced art and potential effects and outcomes. Yet it's being heavily financed into existence despite a clear lack of demand. Not hard to envision mass-market TV/video/cinema soundtracks all going this route (maybe some already have?), which seems ample justification for heavy financing. 1 hour ago, AllenLowe said: I think we are missing the best part of this, which is that the way contemporary pop music is produced and processed, no one will be able to tell the difference: https://pitchfork.com/news/holly-herndon-covers-dolly-parton-jolene-using-ai-listen/ Very true. And (AFAICT; don't listen much), contemporary pop music has been like that for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 I'll be the outlier. I LOVE AI-created music. It is like music I hear when I'm dreaming. A friend sent some links to some AI-generated Beatles, and I thought it was far more compelling than anything the real Beatles ever did, with the possible exception of "Revolution 9." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 They started fixing vocals via punch-ins, when, the late 50s? A little earlier? Laying down tracks before that, right? That what the Musicians Union was all about, protecting human labor. It worked splendidly until it didn't. It's not the technology, it's the people using it. Shallow people, deep people, everybody got access to the same tools sooner later. So if you want a job done right.. Andy and Thelma Lou gonna be sitting out on the front porch around Andy's laptop. So be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said: I'll be the outlier. I LOVE AI-created music. It is like music I hear when I'm dreaming. A friend sent some links to some AI-generated Beatles, and I thought it was far more compelling than anything the real Beatles ever did, with the possible exception of "Revolution 9." Knew I could count on you to have a different take on this. Good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 They used to pound it into our heads, "Before you can break the rules, you have to know the rules". What they didn't tell us was that their ultimate rule was that you never break the rules. Automation is the ultimate outcome of rules that won't be broken, or never even desired to be broken. Keep it between the lines! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 8 hours ago, CJ Shearn said: http://bit.ly/3U2ZD7Q As always, thanks for putting yourself out there and giving us something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 23 minutes ago, danasgoodstuff said: Knew I could count on you to have a different take on this. Good work. I'm always here for you, bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Maybe now I can get that Lee Morgan and Sonny Rollins album I always wanted, only half kidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 34 minutes ago, JSngry said: They started fixing vocals via punch-ins, when, the late 50s? A little earlier? Laying down tracks before that, right? Why start there? The invention of the microphone allowed for manipulation of sonic reality. You otherwise couldn't hear a singer quietly singing in front of a large band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 True. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 AI Beatles: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted November 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Dub Modal said: Hard to find any real positivity when thinking about ai produced art and potential effects and outcomes. Yet it's being heavily financed into existence despite a clear lack of demand. Exactly and I think people will always listen to music made by real musicians and I need to edit my piece to reflect that, I didn't mean to imply younger audiences won't listen to human made music, but the fact people are moved by AI generated music is fascinating to me because for me, its devoid of emotion. 1 hour ago, danasgoodstuff said: As always, thanks for putting yourself out there and giving us something to think about. Thanks again. BTW, does anyone remember that Dozo thing I mentioned in the article as a precursor to all this when it was shown in real time in 1989? I never saw it until 15 years ago and that bizarre long necked CGI singer image stayed with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 31 minutes ago, CJ Shearn said: Exactly and I think people will always listen to music made by real musicians and I need to edit my piece to reflect that, I didn't mean to imply younger audiences won't listen to human made music, but the fact people are moved by AI generated music is fascinating to me because for me, its devoid of emotion. The AI Bach piece I heard was beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Teasing the Korean said: AI Beatles: That one sucks imo. "Daddy's Car" is nearly wonderful, even if it does sound more like 10CC than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 22 minutes ago, JSngry said: That one sucks imo. "Daddy's Car" is nearly wonderful, even if it does sound more like 10CC than anything else. 10CC is already AI Beatles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dub Modal Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 13 hours ago, JSngry said: It's not the technology, it's the people using it. 100%. Especially in light of these articles: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/microsoft-terminates-its-tay-ai-chatbot-after-she-turns-into-a-nazi/ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/13/artificial-intelligence-ai-abuses-fascism-donald-trump https://www.wired.co.uk/article/facebook-teaches-bots-how-to-negotiate-and-lie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 These are the things that sometimes make me wish for a big blackout so people have no choice but to make music the old fashioned way, quickly distinguishing the real players from the fakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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