Warne Marsh

[Guest ariceffron]

ALLAN:

WHY THEN DOES WARNE IN VEGAS HAVE A TIJUANA ADDRESS ON THE BACK? SINCE WHEN TO JAZZ RECORD LABLES RUN OUT OF TJ???

[AllenLowe]

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION; YOU WILL HAVE TO ASK TOSHI. OR MAYBE HERB ALPERT. THE MAIN POINT HERE IS THAT GERALDYNE AGREED TO THE TERMS THAT I PROPOSED, AND SHE WAS PAID A ROYALTY. I DID NOT SEE ANYONE MENTION THAT IN THE THREAD -

[Guest ariceffron]

OK OK LET ME EXPLAIN MYSELF A LITTLE BETTER:::

I WAS INTO WARNE FOR A WHILE BUT I WAS STILL HEAVY INTO BLUE NOTE AT THE TIME ETC. TIME PERIOD: THE TAIL END OF THE INTERNET FREE MP3 TRADING ERA BEFORE THE BUST ENDED IT AS WE ALL KNEW IT. I WAS ON A WEIRD P2P PROGRAM CALLED "I MESH" WHICH PROBABLY IS OUT OF BUSINESS. WELL ONE DAY A CHICK, YES A CHICK, HAD LOGGED ON AND SHE HAD ALL THIS EARLY 80S WARNE, SOME STUFF YOU WOULDNT BELIEVE. WARNE WITH SAL MOSCA AT THE VANGUARD, EVEN WARNE IN 1985 WITH A B3 BACKING HIM UP. EVEN WARNE WITH A VOCALIST IN SOME LONG ISLAND CLUB IN THE MID 80S. ALL THIS AMAZING STUFF. WELL IN PARTICULAR IT WAS IN THIS MATERIAL THAT I HEARD THE GREATEST TENOR SAX SOLO I HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED. I HAVE NEVER HEARD A MOBLEY SOLO, A TRANE SOLO, A BEAN SOLO, OR EVEN A PREZ SOLO AS GOOD AS THE WARNE SOLO I HEARD FROM THE VANGUARD IN 1981, ON SOUND-LEE. AND I HAVE HEARD MANY OTHER RECORDINGS OF THAT TUNE AND THEY ALL DIDNT COMPARE. SO MAYBE THATS WHY IM SO UPSET THAT THIS THREAD. BEACUSE IT WAS THIS RECORDING WHICH TURNED ME ONTO WARNE FOREVER.

[AllenLowe]

THAT'S OK I UNDERSTAND

[Jim Alfredson]

DUDE, WARNE WITH A B3?! I'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT.

JAZZ4U, IS THAT AVAILABLE!?!!?

[Rooster_Ties]

GOD PRETTY SOON WARNES KID IS GONNA THINK THAT EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD IS ALL THE SAME PERSON OR ELSE THERES LIKE A HUNDRED DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT ARE ALL THE SAME OR SIMILAR WITH THE SAME CAPSLOCK PROBLEM AND A PROBLEM WITH RUNON SENTENCES TOO HOW FUNNY WOULD THAT BE

[Guest ariceffron]

ITS FROM THE WEST END CAFE I BELIEVE AND ITS ALL THE THING YOU ARE AND YES YOU CAN HAVE IT BUT I WOULD ENJOY A COPY OF THAT UNRELEASED BLAKEY SESSION WHICH HAS BEEN PASSING AROUND ON THIS BOARD

[jazz4u]

I'm really not the one to ask about what recordings are available. I'm not sure what this says about me, but I don't even have all of pop's known studio recordings, let alone the obscure stuff. I've got pop in the blood, and I make my own music, so I guess I never felt the drive. The main reason why I'd like to get more is to give them to Warne's grand kids (when they come to be), and that's it. But thanks for asking :-)

What's a B3?

[couw]

What's a B3?

Hammond B3 organ

[neveronfriday]

What's a B3?

Ooh, oh.

I hear B3er running down the hallway. Almost here ...

[AllenLowe]

PERSONSALLY I PREFER B7 -

[pryan]

How about a B-52. Baileys, Kahlua, and Grand Marnier, I think.

[neveronfriday]

How about a B-52. Baileys, Kahlua, and Grand Marnier, I think.

Yuck!

I prefer the B-52s.

[JSngry]

What's a B3?

From http://chetday.com/vitaminbdeficiencies.html

Vitamin B-3 is important to the proper functioning of the nervous system and aids in the metabolism of carbohydrates, fats and proteins. It also plays a role in the production of hydrochloric acid and is involved in the normal secretion of bile and digestive fluids.

B-3 is available in two forms, niacin and niacinamide. The body's need for B-3 is satisfied by either form, but in doses larger than those obtained from food, they have very different effects in the body. 

Niacin lowers LDL cholesterol and triglycerides, increases beneficial HDL cholesterol, increases circulation, improves brain function by enhancing the oxygen carrying ability of the red blood cells, regulates blood flow in memory tissue, and has the ability to mobilize fat from cells into the blood. Niacin also strengthens GABA, which is a calming neurotransmitter.

Niacin can cause a somewhat irritating but harmless flushing when first taking a dose of 50 milligrams or more. A no-flush variety, inositol hexanicotinate is the only form of time release niacin that is recommended; other forms of time-release niacin are a liver irritant and should not be consumed.

Niacinamide does not cause flushing, will not lower cholesterol or improve circulation, but has other benefits. It has been used since the 1940's to reduce insulin requirements of diabetics and has been found to be very effective in the treatment of osteoarthritis.

Deficiency Symptoms

A severe deficiency of B-3 and the amino acid tryptophan will result in Pellagra, which manifests itself in marked dermatitis, dementia, and diarrhea. A moderate deficiency can cause these symptoms to a lesser degree.

Food Sources

Niacin is found in brewer’s or nutritional yeast, liver, broccoli, carrots, cheese, eggs, fish, raw milk, peanuts, potatoes, tomatoes, dandelion greens, and wheat germ.

Dosage Range

If using pure crystalline niacin, start with a dose of 100 milligrams three times a day and carefully increase the dosage over a period of 4 to 6 weeks to the full therapeutic dose of 1.5 to 3 grams daily in divided doses. If you are using inositol hexaniacinate, begin with 500 milligrams three times daily for 2 weeks and then increase to 1,000 milligrams. It is best to take either crystalline niacin or inositol hexaniacinate with meals (Murray, 1996: 96).

Contraindications

Those suffering from diabetes, glaucoma, gout, liver disease, or peptic ulcers should use niacin supplements cautiously. Consuming over 500 mg per day for an extended length of time may result in liver damage.

And from http://www.netfit.co.uk/vit3.htm we learn that Vitamin B-3 is

Required for the synthesis of sex hormones

So...

[Pete B]

Excuse my lack of caps

An excellent resource for Marsh sessionographies is Warne Marsh Info Site

I've corresponded with this fellow, he really seems to know his stuff.

[AllenLowe]

I gotta make an appointment to see that nurse -

[John L]

I gotta make an appointment to see that nurse -

Don't forget to ask for the one with the slow release.

[AllenLowe]

I hope she has some tongue depressers -

[jazz4u]

Slow release? That's nasty, but funny.

I want to thank everyone for the continued support and good spirits.

You may be interested to know that while I was living in Oregon, I met and befriended Steve Tristano, Lennie's eldest son. He looked and sounded EXACTLY like his father. He was studying dance and music at the University of Oregon at the time. A very sweet, sweet man.

From what I can remeber, my father tended to shun electric instruments, except for the elec. guitar since that was/is the standard for jazz. The only recording of his that I know of that features electric keys is Chuck's "All Music". He probably wouldn't care for the fact that I play the elec. bass.

[Chuck Nessa]

Thanks for posting Jason.

I think Warne "tolerated" the ep 'cause Lou wanted it. He quickly had him change back to a "real" piano after that one take.

BTW, I never heard from your brother. Is there a problem?

[Jazz Kat]

I don't know if this has been discussed here. You guys like Apogee?

[couw]

I don't know if this has been discussed here. You guys like Apogee?

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7470

[jazz4u]

Hey Chuck,

My brother got the disk and said he enjoyed them, but that's all I know.

I like Apogee because the compostions were good. But it does sound like the massive production that it is...more of a "show" than a recording of imrpovised jazz.

[Guest ariceffron]

ps- re-- the 8 ball session- that got notoriously bad reviews-- what was the producer doing in there, trying to get short solos and stuff?

[Late]

Moe & The Poets currently have this one in stock for $26.99 — on sale.

Marsh unaccompanied from 1987. I didn't even know this existed until today. Anyone here heard it?