medjuck Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Ted Gioia tweeted that "Old Time LA jazz people who were on the scene in 1945 told me this was the first genuine bebop band to play on the West Coast. It shook up the local players and paved the way for Bird and Dizzy to play Billy Berg's a few months later." Sort of echoes Scott DeVeaux's emphasis on the importance of Hawkins to BeBop. Interesting that they give billing to OP. (btw is it ok to quote things from twitter?) Edited March 10, 2022 by medjuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, medjuck said: A close reading of this gig appears in DeVeaux's "The Bird of Bebop." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted March 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mark Stryker said: A close reading of this gig appears in DeVeaux's "The Bird of Bebop." Who else was in the group? (Not Monk, I presume.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, medjuck said: Who else was in the group? (Not Monk, I presume.) Coleman Hawkins, Howard McGhee, Charles Thompson, Oscar Pettiford, Denzil Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, Mark Stryker said: Coleman Hawkins, Howard McGhee, Charles Thompson, Oscar Pettiford, Denzil Best Hollywood Stampede band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said: Hollywood Stampede band. From The Crimson Canary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted March 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 Even in the movie OP gets special billing. Was he that famous (or appreciated)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 Thanks, guys, for bringing this up. That video is amazing. I never knew that it existed. Too bad that America has hadly ever filmed its great jazzmen. Bean was an amazing musician, never stuck in one genre. Someone once remarked that he never peaked. He had amazing technique, but didn't play flashy just for effect. Awhile back, I came across a video of him warming up (in about 1960, I think), and his technique was amazing. I just obtained the fairly recent Mosaic set of his recordings, going back to the 20s. The first items are horrible, and he once said that he was not happy with them. They give little hint of what he later did. Yes, one of the first boppers (I hate that term, but it has stuck). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, medjuck said: Even in the movie OP gets special billing. Was he that famous (or appreciated)? Esquire Poll Winner he was, which might have been the reason. But was the billing the doing of Billy Berg's or the movie? The former I would guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Oscar seems to be smoking as he plays ... I have been in plenty of clubs, but can't actually recall seeing a bass player smoking and playing at the same time ... that would seem to present real difficulties, particularly up-tempo ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Quasimado said: Oscar seems to be smoking as he plays ... I have been in plenty of clubs, but can't actually recall seeing a bass player smoking and playing at the same time ... that would seem to present real difficulties, particularly up-tempo ... I saw Mingus playing the bass with a big cigar in his mouth. But smoking while playing I don´t think this is really confortable, but I have to enjoy a cigarette for relaxment. That means after a gig. I never could smoke while playing, or standing or walking and even don´t like to talk, if I smoke a cigarette since I enjoy it in certain situations of happy solitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhatta Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Larry Kart said: Esquire Poll Winner he was, which might have been the reason. But was the billing the doing of Billy Berg's or the movie? The former I would guess. Wikipedia suggests that OP gained wider public attention after the 1943 recording of "The Man I Love" with Hawk. Young OP (21 year old?) 's hard breathing solo is surely incredible . Overall, it sounds very modern -- might strictly not be bebop, but almost proto-bop. Edited March 11, 2022 by mhatta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 20 hours ago, Mark Stryker said: From The Crimson Canary. Mark, thanks for sharing that clip from the movie. Loved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Incredible, such a rare document of early bebop, and I never saw Howard McGhee in a video. They are fantastic. Pettiford´s solo...... But as I know, the first recorded be bop in LA was the Billy Eckstine Band with Fats Navarro in early 1945, which is recorded on the Spotlite label as "Together". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 more Bean proceeding Bird! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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