Pacific Jazz alternates Released on Comps?

[Dan Gould]

I know this got discussed, I think in the context of this release having an alternate of the Curtis Amy/Paul Bryant collaboration, which Mosaic missed on their Curtis Amy Select:

https://www.discogs.com/release/6197695-Various-This-Is-The-Blues-Volume-1

But what of any other PJ tracks? I was cross-referencing this one 

https://www.discogs.com/release/2390952-Various-Jazz-The-60s-Volume-I

vs the CD release of In New York by Les McCann:

https://www.discogs.com/release/7749815-Les-McCann-Ltd-In-New-York

and clearly, One More Ham Hock Please, and A Little 3/4 for God and Country are shorter takes on the comp.

Can anyone confirm different tracks, or different lengths listed to confuse people?

Are there any other tracks that were unique to these comps?

Edited January 31, 2022 by Dan Gould

[JSngry]

There's an alternate of "Almost Like Being In Love" from the Perkins/Lewis/Etc album that only made it out on a 45 EP. Totally different tempo and everything.

With Pacific Jazz, I think the old adage about assuming an7ything holds true to a greater degree than usual.

[Dan Gould]

7 minutes ago, JSngry said:

 

With Pacific Jazz, I think the old adage about assuming an7ything holds true to a greater degree than usual.

Well I am thinking about putting together a Frank Haynes sessionagraphy and at least that seventies comp will only set me back about $10 to do some further investigating. (And another take of the other tune with Stanley Turrentine would be nice, I must say.)

[JSngry]

Frank Haynes, eh? Good call!

And again, don't NOT look for any 45s.

[Dan Gould]

This ain't Percy redux, believe that.

I think I have everything except a Gerald Wilson, per discogs, but I wonder if Haynes got any solos anyway with Teddy Edwards in the tenor section too.  

[bertrand]

Frank Haynes is awesome. I wish more was known about him. I have never even seen a photo.

[mikeweil]

9 hours ago, Dan Gould said:

Are there any other tracks that were unique to these comps?

IIRC I read somwhere (Lord Disco?) that the track of the Harold Land All Stars with Jackie Davis is different on the two compilations it appears, not just edited/shortened. So far I have heard only the first of the LPs linked below.

https://www.discogs.com/master/488486-Various-Blowin-The-Blues

https://www.discogs.com/master/921874-Various-This-Is-The-Blues-Volume-1

With Richard Bock you never know. It could be edited, or a different take, or both.

The two Les McCann tracks with Hutcherson and Amy are cases in point, too - they were never issued on any Amy or McCann LP. Cuscuna added them to the Les McCann in New York CD version. 

[Dan Gould]

Well I received the comp that made me wonder and post about the thread topic.

Appears that for "A Little 3/4 for God and Country" they made a pretty smooth edit straight to Stanley Turrentine's solo, so not only no "new" Frank Haynes but no Frank Haynes at all.

 

One More Hamhock Please is really odd though and I am concluding that they did a remarkable editing job ... Amy's solo is about 50 seconds on the comp - much longer on the track that was issued. It actually lines up more or less perfectly, but on the CD issued track, there's a sort of a Blakey press roll into the piano solo, and same thing on the edited version. But there was no press roll at that point in Amy's solo, so as near as I can tell they cross-faded Amy out, because the press roll leading into the piano solo is present on the version on the comp. Very artfully done. How many channels were they recording at the PJ studio back then? Or maybe in 1978 they had more channels to work with when they edited it down.

(Glad I only spent $8 including shipping on this record.)

[JamesAHarrod]

I wrote about the Bill Perkins / John Lewis alternates several years ago.

https://jazzresearch.com/grand-encounter-the-alternate-takes/

Scroll to the last portion of the post for the alternates tales.

Jim