MLB 2021 Hot Stove League

[JSngry]

33 minutes ago, GA Russell said:

I saw yesterday that the Yankees will retire Paul O'Neill's number.

Was he that good?

https://nypost.com/2022/02/23/paul-oneill-stunned-yankees-are-retiring-his-number/

He was a Yankee!

[Brad]

15 hours ago, JSngry said:

He was a Yankee!

The Yankees seem to make an art form of retiring numbers. By contrast, the Cardinals have retired 14 or 15, a lot, but not as many as NY.  Those games tend to sell out, not that I’d suggest there’s any connection!

[jcam_44]

Season will be shortened as expected.
 

Side note, Manfred is really unlikeable. 

[BFrank]

They had almost 3 months to work this out. RIDICULOUS!

[jcam_44]

Just remember this is a Lockout not a strike. 

[Dan Gould]

5 hours ago, jcam_44 said:

Just remember this is a Lockout not a strike. 

As I said previously, a gift from the owners to lock out when they did.

However, sans lock out, you telling me players wouldn't be out on strike right now, with that strike having started right before mandatory Spring Training report date? Then your pro-union mind is completely delusional.  I wish MLB had put out a statement that they are opening Spring Training camps and proceeding in anticipation of striking a deal before March 31 - then the players would have shown their true colors. 

And you wouldn't put out self-righteous idiocy like "remember this is a lockout not a strike."

 

[jcam_44]

7 hours ago, Dan Gould said:

As I said previously, a gift from the owners to lock out when they did.

However, sans lock out, you telling me players wouldn't be out on strike right now, with that strike having started right before mandatory Spring Training report date? Then your pro-union mind is completely delusional.  I wish MLB had put out a statement that they are opening Spring Training camps and proceeding in anticipation of striking a deal before March 31 - then the players would have shown their true colors. 

And you wouldn't put out self-righteous idiocy like "remember this is a lockout not a strike."

 

My intentions were never to make you this angry. My apologies. As I said previously I view workforce differently than product and you view them as the same thing. No need to attack me over differing views. 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10028196-mlb-owners-only-have-themselves-to-blame-for-lockout-reaching-a-new-low-point

Edited March 2, 2022 by jcam_44

[Dan Gould]

So another marathon session and another meeting later today.

Would love it if MLB responds to whatever PA counter-proposes by going backward on 2 or 3 of the things that they conceded ground on before.  Taste of their own damn medicine.

 

Edit to add:  Too bad they won't. But they should. 

Edited March 9, 2022 by Dan Gould

[ghost of miles]

Looks as if we’ll have a full season of baseball after all!

[JSngry]

Big dicks done big dicked.

#yawn

oh btw - the Rangers sent me an email about Lady Gaga was coming to Globe Life Park. So, hey, it's really true, sports subsidizes the arts.

#imtoooldforthisshit

[GA Russell]

"Other elements of the deal include: postseason expansion to 12 teams; advertisements on player jerseys and helmets; a designated hitter in the National League; implementation of a draft lottery; and a 45-day window for MLB to make rule changes -- among them a pitch clock, larger bases and a ban on shifts in the 2023 season."

https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/MLB/2022/03/10/MLB-team-owners-players-agree-labor-deal-clear-path-for-162-game-season-baseball/5841646945788/

[Dan Gould]

13 hours ago, GA Russell said:

"Other elements of the deal include: postseason expansion to 12 teams; advertisements on player jerseys and helmets; a designated hitter in the National League; implementation of a draft lottery; and a 45-day window for MLB to make rule changes -- among them a pitch clock, larger bases and a ban on shifts in the 2023 season."

https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/MLB/2022/03/10/MLB-team-owners-players-agree-labor-deal-clear-path-for-162-game-season-baseball/5841646945788/

Thanks for reminding me to check on that element of the deal that the PA refused to negotiate in good faith on - the bonus pool for pre-arb players. As far as I can tell, demands (in millions) went like this:

$115

$110

$120

final number $50 mil.

Turns out it never was that important but you wouldn't know it by how the PA behaved, until the very end. 

[Ken Dryden]

Braves fans are not going to be happy about ownership being cheaper than Herman Lubinsky when it came to contract talks with Freddie Freeman.

He was the franchise…

[HutchFan]

48 minutes ago, Ken Dryden said:

Braves fans are not going to be happy about ownership being cheaper than Herman Lubinsky when it came to contract talks with Freddie Freeman.

He was the franchise…

Hmm.  As a fellow Braves fan, I have a different take.

The days of the Braves competing with clubs the Dodgers and Yankees in terms of spending are long gone.  We haven't been able to do that since Ted Turner sold the team.  I love Freeman, and I hate to see him go.  But if Freddie wants Yankees- or Dodgers-level money -- which is understandable; he deserves it -- then he's going to have to leave for one of those teams.

To be honest, I'm pleased Anthopoulos didn't sign Freddie for the huge money.   It would have tied the team's hands financially. ... I guess I trust Anthopoulos.  After all the masterful moves he's made over the last few years (and especially last year), I think he's earned it.  

Now, it's time for the young guys like Ozzie Albies and Ronald Acuña to step up and lead the team.  

My 2 cents.  

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by HutchFan

[ghost of miles]

I definitely understand Braves fans’ attachment to Freddie Freeman—but at least you’re getting Matt Olson as a consolation prize.

[jcam_44]

10 hours ago, HutchFan said:

Hmm.  As a fellow Braves fan, I have a different take.

The days of the Braves competing with clubs the Dodgers and Yankees in terms of spending are long gone.  We haven't been able to do that since Ted Turner sold the team.  I love Freeman, and I hate to see him go.  But if Freddie wants Yankees- or Dodgers-level money -- which is understandable; he deserves it -- then he's going to have to leave for one of those teams.

To be honest, I'm pleased Anthopoulos didn't sign Freddie for the huge money.   It would have tied the team's hands financially. ... I guess I trust Anthopoulos.  After all the masterful moves he's made over the last few years (and especially last year), I think he's earned it.  

Now, it's time for the young guys like Ozzie Albies and Ronald Acuña to step up and lead the team.  

My 2 cents.  

 

As an A’s fan the lack of spending can be annoying. It ain’t my money I wish they’d spend money like the Yankees. 
 

10 hours ago, ghost of miles said:

I definitely understand Braves fans’ attachment to Freddie Freeman—but at least you’re getting Matt Olson as a consolation prize.

A’s doing A’s things. 

[jcam_44]

Now Chapman to the Bluejays. 

A’s doing A’s things once again.  
 

I wonder if, they probably a big IF, they get the okay on the Howard Terminal location to build if the cheap ways will change.. I doubt it. 

[Ken Dryden]

On 3/14/2022 at 7:25 PM, ghost of miles said:

I definitely understand Braves fans’ attachment to Freddie Freeman—but at least you’re getting Matt Olson as a consolation prize.

This article shows how little respect the Braves gave to Freeman, they didn't even respond to the counteroffer made to their proposed contract at the end of the season. He put in too much time with them to be ignored like this, I hope he has a long productive career and makes them see the error of their decision. 

https://www.mlb.com/news/freddie-freeman-on-matt-olson-braves-trade?partnerId=zh-20220319-566205-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20220319-566205-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=tXQET7EeqwCfwKZSp1OXRYIdzmaqTlXmZE8E4AskLFLpEodbO4JM8pj38ZCQUmtc&bt_ts=1647694621177

[soulpope]

With his 4th homerun of the new season and 162nd overall Aaron Judge broke in to the "Top 500 All-Time Homerun Hitter" list .... requiering only 2536 PA's .... quite an achievement ....