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  On 8/25/2021 at 1:25 PM, Peter Friedman said:

Joe Henderson   or   Wayne Shorter  (as Players not Composers)

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Shorter

  On 8/26/2021 at 12:10 AM, HutchFan said:

Airto Moreira or Dom Um Romão?

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Moreira

  On 8/26/2021 at 2:16 AM, Larry Kart said:

Carl Perkins or Bobby Timmons

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Timmons

  On 8/26/2021 at 8:16 AM, BillF said:

Kenny Drew or Sonny Clark?

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Only a few of these choices have been easy, and this isn't one of them. Going with Kenny Drew. 

 

Studio Mingus albums or Live Mingus albums?

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  On 8/25/2021 at 12:39 PM, Dub Modal said:

Bobby Hutcherson or Walt Dickerson?

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  On 8/25/2021 at 12:53 PM, JSngry said:

Dickerson

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Whhhaaaaaattttt?!?!?!?!   :o

:P

 

 

Joe Henderson on Blue Note or Joe Henderson on Milestone?

 

  On 8/26/2021 at 1:34 PM, Dub Modal said:

Studio Mingus albums or Live Mingus albums?

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Studio. 

Since most of my favorite Mingus records are studio:
- Pithecanthropus Erectus
- Blues and Roots
- Oh Yeah
- Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus
- Mingus Dynasty
- Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus
- Let My Children Hear Music
- Changes I & Changes II

The downside: No Antibes and nothing from the '64 tour.  :( 

 

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  On 8/26/2021 at 1:34 PM, Dub Modal said:
  On 8/26/2021 at 2:45 PM, HutchFan said:

Don't think so. 

I'll take Wayne, Herbie, Ron & Tony.

 

E.S.P. and Miles Smiles?
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Sorcerer and Nefertiti?

 

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I prefer the first quintet with Trane, Red, Paul, Philly Joe

From earlier;

I prefer Carl Perkins

Sonny Clark

Rollins on Blue Note

Joe Henderson on Blue Note

Studio Mingus

 

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  On 8/26/2021 at 2:45 PM, HutchFan said:

E..S.P. and Miles Smiles?

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Sorcerer and Nefertiti?

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Nefertiti easy victor. Two similar albums, one better.

E.S.P v. Miles Smiles is harder, as E.S.P is quite different, and still has its link to the past. I listen to ESP more, so that one.

Push Push or Mister Magic, judged solely on cover art?

  On 8/26/2021 at 3:20 PM, BillF said:

Dameron or Silver as composers?

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Dameron, but narrowly. I think his compositions have more room for interpretation, whereas Silver's always remind you of who did them first.

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  On 8/26/2021 at 4:01 PM, Rabshakeh said:

Nefertiti easy victor. Two similar albums, one better.

E.S.P v. Miles Smiles is harder, as E.S.P is quite different, and still has its link to the past. I listen to ESP more, so that one.

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I meant for them to be chosen as a pair; that is, expressed (sort of) algebraically:

(E.S.P. + Miles Smiles)  OR  (Sorcerer + Nefertiti)

 

Push Push has greater (unintentional?) comic value.  So I'll go with that one.

 

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  On 8/26/2021 at 7:24 PM, JSngry said:

Dunlop, although Riley gives a better showing live than studio.

Old Socks New Shoes or New Socks Old Shoes?

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I quote this not be a troll, but because John is John, and I pretty much agree with him.

From a 1964 John Litweiler review of "Criss Cross" (Columbia):

 

"Frankie Dunlop is certainly the major liability in this quartet. He is an exceptionally facile drummer, but it is amazing how a drummer can be so insensitive to Monk's playing. He has learned all the tricks from Roach, Blakey, Philly Joe, Elvin Jones, Baby Dodds, Joe Podunk and the rest of the gang, and he feels compelled to use every trick in his voluminous bag on every song he plays. It seems that way, anyway; good intentions do not a drummer make. John Ore is an asset to the group, in spite of his unwillingness to solo (he has an appealing habit of playing his solo choruses entirely in double stops); since he plays slightly on top of the beat, he keeps show-off Dunlop from dragging the tempo."

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  On 8/26/2021 at 10:44 PM, Larry Kart said:

I quote this not be a troll, but because John is John, and I pretty much agree with him.

From a 1964 John Litweiler review of "Criss Cross" (Columbia):

 

"Frankie Dunlop is certainly the major liability in this quartet. He is an exceptionally facile drummer, but it is amazing how a drummer can be so insensitive to Monk's playing. He has learned all the tricks from Roach, Blakey, Philly Joe, Elvin Jones, Baby Dodds, Joe Podunk and the rest of the gang, and he feels compelled to use every trick in his voluminous bag on every song he plays. It seems that way, anyway; good intentions do not a drummer make. John Ore is an asset to the group, in spite of his unwillingness to solo (he has an appealing habit of playing his solo choruses entirely in double stops); since he plays slightly on top of the beat, he keeps show-off Dunlop from dragging the tempo."

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Not unlike my feelings about Dunlop. Might be a Chicago thing.

I suppose it is too much to hope for discovery of the first few takes from the Monk's Music date when Wilbur Campbell filled in for the tardy Art Blakey.

Dub Modal Experienced

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  On 8/26/2021 at 3:20 PM, BillF said:

Dameron or Silver as composers?

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Lean Silver but I could sway the other way easily...

  On 8/26/2021 at 2:45 PM, HutchFan said:

E.S.P. and Miles Smiles?
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Sorcerer and Nefertiti?

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Miles Smiles is one of my favorite albums ever, the proverbial desert island choice. So ESP/MS it is. Even though the SGQ did no wrong in my eyes. :tup

  On 8/26/2021 at 6:21 PM, kh1958 said:

Henry Threadgill or Roscoe Mitchell?

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Roscoe 

  On 8/26/2021 at 7:13 PM, BillF said:

Frankie Dunlop or Ben Riley in the Monk Quartet?

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Riley

  On 8/26/2021 at 2:40 PM, Rabshakeh said:

Have we done Miles Davis' First Quintet or Miles Davis' Second Quintet yet?

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As stated above, Quintet the 2nd for me. 

  On 8/26/2021 at 10:14 PM, danasgoodstuff said:

Stones or Yardbirds?

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Nyet on both. 

 

Bob Cranshaw or Rufus Reid?

 

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