Marc Myers on jazz geniuses

[ghost of miles]

15 hours ago, Larry Kart said:

Love this somewhat ignored edition of the Ellington Band. Three CDs, handsome booklet, thorough annotations by Patrica Willard. A must for "Happy Go Lucky Local Parts 1 and 2."

 

 

👍 Great set, and one of the first Ellington collections I ever picked up, believe it or not.

[Larry Kart]

30 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said:

Yeah, early jazz is where guys like Stravinsky and Milhaud went for inspiration.

I've always felt that there was a definite resemblance between the stoptime passage  in Joplin's "Stoptime Rag" (its resolution in particular) and the final phrases of Stravinsky's Octet. As we know FWIW (I think this is so ) Stravinsky's experience of ragtime was through sheet music, not recordings or live performances.

[JSngry]

Is that Duke the Musicraft stuff? If so, Prestige had it in a 24000 series release that was a subject of endless fascination afaic...

[Teasing the Korean]

2 minutes ago, Larry Kart said:

I've always felt that there was a definite resemblance between the stoptime passage  in Joplin's "Stoptime Rag" (its resolution in particular) and the final phrases of Stravinsky's Octet. As we know FWIW (I think this is so ) Stravinsky's experience of ragtime was through sheet music, not recordings or live performances.

One of the advantages with Scott Joplin is that the music was written, so we have hi-fi options to experience this music.

[JSngry]

2 minutes ago, Larry Kart said:

As we know FWIW (I think this is so ) Stravinsky's experience of ragtime was through sheet music, not recordings or live performances.

Did Stravinsky keep out of clubs or cafes or wherever it was where people went to hang out and get a taste of the new? I mean, if there was sheet music, somebody could play it anywhere 

[Chuck Nessa]

23 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Is that Duke the Musicraft stuff? If so, Prestige had it in a 24000 series release that was a subject of endless fascination afaic...

Not Musicraft - transcription discs. I first had these on a series of 5 Hindsight lps.

Edited August 8, 2021 by Chuck Nessa

[Larry Kart]

7 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said:

Not Musicraft - transcription discs. I first had these on a series of Hindsight lps.

Yes -- Hindsight (a three CD box for me) but it's the Musicraft band.

[Chuck Nessa]

The lps looked like this

[Larry Kart]

20 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Did Stravinsky keep out of clubs or cafes or wherever it was where people went to hang out and get a taste of the new? I mean, if there was sheet music, somebody could play it anywhere 

He did have the sheet music, so the story goes, and the chances of hearing Joplin's rags in French clubs or cafes in the teens or twenties would've been slim I believe. 

[JSngry]

Why?

Maybe not clubs plural, but wasn't Paris on the cutting edge of Exotic Negritude? Or was this before any of that started happening?

I guess what I'm asking is, how did Stravinsky get the sheet music to begin with?