Marc Myers on jazz geniuses

[ghost of miles]

  On 8/8/2021 at 12:00 AM, Larry Kart said:

Love this somewhat ignored edition of the Ellington Band. Three CDs, handsome booklet, thorough annotations by Patrica Willard. A must for "Happy Go Lucky Local Parts 1 and 2."

 

 

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👍 Great set, and one of the first Ellington collections I ever picked up, believe it or not.

[Larry Kart]

  On 8/8/2021 at 2:55 PM, Chuck Nessa said:

Yeah, early jazz is where guys like Stravinsky and Milhaud went for inspiration.

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I've always felt that there was a definite resemblance between the stoptime passage  in Joplin's "Stoptime Rag" (its resolution in particular) and the final phrases of Stravinsky's Octet. As we know FWIW (I think this is so ) Stravinsky's experience of ragtime was through sheet music, not recordings or live performances.

[JSngry]

Is that Duke the Musicraft stuff? If so, Prestige had it in a 24000 series release that was a subject of endless fascination afaic...

[Teasing the Korean]

  On 8/8/2021 at 3:34 PM, Larry Kart said:

I've always felt that there was a definite resemblance between the stoptime passage  in Joplin's "Stoptime Rag" (its resolution in particular) and the final phrases of Stravinsky's Octet. As we know FWIW (I think this is so ) Stravinsky's experience of ragtime was through sheet music, not recordings or live performances.

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One of the advantages with Scott Joplin is that the music was written, so we have hi-fi options to experience this music.

[JSngry]

  On 8/8/2021 at 3:34 PM, Larry Kart said:

As we know FWIW (I think this is so ) Stravinsky's experience of ragtime was through sheet music, not recordings or live performances.

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Did Stravinsky keep out of clubs or cafes or wherever it was where people went to hang out and get a taste of the new? I mean, if there was sheet music, somebody could play it anywhere 

[Chuck Nessa]

  On 8/8/2021 at 3:36 PM, JSngry said:

Is that Duke the Musicraft stuff? If so, Prestige had it in a 24000 series release that was a subject of endless fascination afaic...

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Not Musicraft - transcription discs. I first had these on a series of 5 Hindsight lps.

Edited August 8, 2021 by Chuck Nessa

[Larry Kart]

  On 8/8/2021 at 3:51 PM, Chuck Nessa said:

Not Musicraft - transcription discs. I first had these on a series of Hindsight lps.

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Yes -- Hindsight (a three CD box for me) but it's the Musicraft band.

[Chuck Nessa]

The lps looked like this

[Larry Kart]

  On 8/8/2021 at 3:41 PM, JSngry said:

Did Stravinsky keep out of clubs or cafes or wherever it was where people went to hang out and get a taste of the new? I mean, if there was sheet music, somebody could play it anywhere 

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He did have the sheet music, so the story goes, and the chances of hearing Joplin's rags in French clubs or cafes in the teens or twenties would've been slim I believe. 

[JSngry]

Why?

Maybe not clubs plural, but wasn't Paris on the cutting edge of Exotic Negritude? Or was this before any of that started happening?

I guess what I'm asking is, how did Stravinsky get the sheet music to begin with?