tkeith Posted July 7, 2021 Author Report Posted July 7, 2021 Just now, JSngry said: I did a shallow dive on AMG for James Carter's credits on contrabass saxophone and didn't find any record that was an obvious DOH! but I guess it's there in the world to be found somewhere... You WON'T find any record that is obvious. This was recorded off the radio about 20 years ago. I have the track personnel, but not the album name. I've reached out to James for some assistance. He was gracious and asked me to share the file with him, which I did, but I have not heard back, yet. It is NOT his date, so there is still lot's to discuss here. Quote
Dub Modal Posted July 7, 2021 Report Posted July 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, tkeith said: You WON'T find any record that is obvious. This was recorded off the radio about 20 years ago. I have the track personnel, but not the album name. I've reached out to James for some assistance. He was gracious and asked me to share the file with him, which I did, but I have not heard back, yet. It is NOT his date, so there is still lot's to discuss here. Whoa - this is some rare stuff indeed Quote
randyhersom Posted July 8, 2021 Report Posted July 8, 2021 Want to share the personnel with the sleuthing crew? Quote
tkeith Posted July 8, 2021 Author Report Posted July 8, 2021 10 hours ago, randyhersom said: Want to share the personnel with the sleuthing crew? well, if I do that it gives away what it is. I'd prefer to hold off a week or so. Quote
felser Posted July 8, 2021 Report Posted July 8, 2021 13 hours ago, randyhersom said: Want to share the personnel with the sleuthing crew? Quote
tkeith Posted July 18, 2021 Author Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/8/2021 at 10:46 PM, randyhersom said: Want to share the personnel with the sleuthing crew? Alrighty, we're about at the three week mark and James Carter was ID'd as the conrabass clarinetist. The song is called "Children's Blues" and here is the personnel: Donald Washington - clarinet, James Carter - contra bass clarinet, Cassius Richmond - alto flute, Faye Washington - flute, Sam Favors - piano, Jeff Bailey - bass, Kevin Washington - drums Donald Washington was announced as the leader. Quote
randyhersom Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 From: https://www.metrotimes.com/detroit/james-carters-loyalty-oath/Content?oid=2148415 For those unfamiliar with Carter's history, he grew up in Detroit the youngest offspring of a talented musical clan. He studied with a number of the Detroit elders, but first and foremost was middle-school saxophonist-educator Donald Washington, who ran a boot camp of a jazz band called Bird-Trane-Sco-Now! (as in Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, the Art Ensemble of Chicago's Roscoe Mitchell and the kids like Carter who were happening now). James Carter: It goes back to my musical father, Donald Washington. He always said longevity is the key. The longer a group stays together, the more it becomes of one mind as the relationship and musicianship progresses. Case in point, the classic Coltrane quartet albums Live at the Village Vanguard and One Down One Up. Those recording are great as the result of the band playing together for a while. Those recordings weren't some all-star hookup. And 10 continues to elude us. Quote
tkeith Posted July 19, 2021 Author Report Posted July 19, 2021 Yeah, I've hit the online resources hard. I reached out to James directly, but he's a busy dude. I may try the DJ who originally played it. Quote
Dub Modal Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 Re-listening this morning and am really enjoying these songs. Track 10 which I don't think has been ID'd yet is very good. Quote
tkeith Posted July 19, 2021 Author Report Posted July 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Dub Modal said: Re-listening this morning and am really enjoying these songs. Track 10 which I don't think has been ID'd yet is very good. Methinks Felser should nail that one. Quote
felser Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 48 minutes ago, tkeith said: Methinks Felser should nail that one. Duly noted - I will revisit! Quote
felser Posted July 20, 2021 Report Posted July 20, 2021 (edited) Wanting to think Sonny Fortune on #10, but can't place an album of him with vibes. Except for Roy Ayers albums, and this doesn't seem to track to one of them (though Harry Whitaker could fit). Edited July 20, 2021 by felser Quote
tkeith Posted July 20, 2021 Author Report Posted July 20, 2021 5 hours ago, felser said: Wanting to think Sonny Fortune on #10, but can't place an album of him with vibes. Except for Roy Ayers albums, and this doesn't seem to track to one of them (though Harry Whitaker could fit). Nope. I'd say lesser known, but I'd rank this guy ahead of Sonny (most likely would not agree). Quote
JSngry Posted July 20, 2021 Report Posted July 20, 2021 Eddie Gomez? Or Stanley Clarke? Seems like a busy bunch, this group... Quote
felser Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 Same guy playing both soprano and flute? Quote
randyhersom Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) Moe Koffman? Edited July 21, 2021 by randyhersom Quote
tkeith Posted July 21, 2021 Author Report Posted July 21, 2021 13 hours ago, JSngry said: Eddie Gomez? Or Stanley Clarke? Seems like a busy bunch, this group... Nay. At the risk of putting some off, I would list this player as more serious. He also appears elsewhere on this test. 11 hours ago, felser said: Same guy playing both soprano and flute? Correct, sir! 9 hours ago, randyhersom said: Moe Koffman? Nyet Quote
randyhersom Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 I don't think you would refer to Bunnett as "this guy" and I don't think Newton doubles on anything not a flute, so Gary Bartz? I haven't spotted any vibes on Bartz's leader dates on Wikipedia. Quote
JSngry Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 You could say Joe Farrell, but I don't think that's a "major" player, although he certainly was a comp[etent and prolific one. Quote
Dub Modal Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 Long shot on #10 here but is it Karl Berger on vibes? Quote
tkeith Posted July 21, 2021 Author Report Posted July 21, 2021 2 hours ago, randyhersom said: I don't think you would refer to Bunnett as "this guy" and I don't think Newton doubles on anything not a flute, so Gary Bartz? I haven't spotted any vibes on Bartz's leader dates on Wikipedia. No, sir. 56 minutes ago, JSngry said: You could say Joe Farrell, but I don't think that's a "major" player, although he certainly was a comp[etent and prolific one. Not Joe. Later. 45 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: Long shot on #10 here but is it Karl Berger on vibes? It is not. I suppose, the misfires are a clue of their own on this one. Quote
Dub Modal Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, tkeith said: No, sir. Not Joe. Later. It is not. I suppose, the misfires are a clue of their own on this one. Bennie Maupin? Although I can't find anything in his discography that would match this track. Edited July 21, 2021 by Dub Modal Quote
Dub Modal Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) Oliver Lake is another possibility. Whoever it is sounds like they're pushing some serious air through that soprano. Listened to this song about 4 times this morning and it gets better each time. Edited July 21, 2021 by Dub Modal Quote
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