Unissued Music You Would Like To See Released

[clifford_thornton]

On 2/15/2021 at 11:19 AM, Stonewall15 said:

Looking for release of Transition LP TRLP-18 Jay Migliori "Jazz Down Beat". Definitely existed at one time. Complete listing is in Lord discography. One song "Something's Gotta Give" was released in the Transition Sampler LP TRLP-30. The booklet for TRLP-30 also has a description of the Migliori session.

yeah, me too. Been curious about it.

[Chuck Nessa]

26 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said:

yeah, me too. Been curious about it.

When I was at Delmark in the middle '60s and we were purchasing Transition masters (we got a Donald Byrd and 2 Sun Ra sessions, one unissued) the master list provided to us said the Migliori was unissued and in the in the hands of Jay.

[medjuck]

45 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said:

OK: Reissued.

[felser]

51 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said:

When I was at Delmark in the middle '60s and we were purchasing Transition masters (we got a Donald Byrd and 2 Sun Ra sessions, one unissued) the master list provided to us said the Migliori was unissued and in the in the hands of Jay.

What's the back story on why some, but not all, of the Transition catalog went to Blue Note, and some to Delmark later?  And some, apparently, nowhere.  May be common knowledge, but I don't know it.  Seems especially odd that BN would have taken two of the three Donald Byrd titles, but not the third one.   

[Ken Dryden]

I wonder why the Walter Davis trio tracks were omitted from the One Night With Blue Note Preserved CDs?

Walter Davis: piano, Reggie Workman - bass, Art Blakey - drums

Criss Cross

Bud's Bubble

I've Got Rhythm

Six additonal songs from other sets were omitted as well...

 

[clifford_thornton]

11 hours ago, felser said:

What's the back story on why some, but not all, of the Transition catalog went to Blue Note, and some to Delmark later?  And some, apparently, nowhere.  May be common knowledge, but I don't know it.  Seems especially odd that BN would have taken two of the three Donald Byrd titles, but not the third one.   

did the masters go to the artists who then sold or licensed them to certain labels?

[Chuck Nessa]

20 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said:

did the masters go to the artists who then sold or licensed them to certain labels?

No, all the material was in the hands of one entity. They circulated a list of the masters. The masters sold were crossed out and the new owner penciled in - either BN or Migliori.

For some reason I remember "Phoenix" being part of the company name. I always thought it was creditors trying to get their money back.

[clifford_thornton]

Gotcha; creditors are believable.

[Stonewall15]

According to Jordi Pujol (Fresh Sound Records) many tapes were bequeathed to him from Migliori for release. I contacted Jordi Pujol and he said he could not find the tape for TRLP-18.

[felser]

14 hours ago, Ken Dryden said:

I wonder why the Walter Davis trio tracks were omitted from the One Night With Blue Note Preserved CDs?

Walter Davis: piano, Reggie Workman - bass, Art Blakey - drums

Criss Cross

Bud's Bubble

I've Got Rhythm

Six additonal songs from other sets were omitted as well...

 

The CD's were identical issues of the vinyl albums.  The four albums featured either musicians who were signed to BN at the time or musicials who were going to obviously sell units.  Davis would not have met either of those criteria.  A box set of the full performances would be nice.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Night_with_Blue_Note#One_Night_with_Blue_Note_Preserved_(LP_&_CD)

[mikeweil]

18 hours ago, Ken Dryden said:

I wonder why the Walter Davis trio tracks were omitted from the One Night With Blue Note Preserved CDs?

Walter Davis: piano, Reggie Workman - bass, Art Blakey - drums

Criss Cross

Bud's Bubble

I've Got Rhythm

Six additonal songs from other sets were omitted as well...

 

The Davis Trio tracks are marked "rejected" in the Lord Disco, as is "Paper Moon" from the nexr part with Hubbard, Fuller, & Griffin. There are four marked "unissued" and one more "rejected".

[Ken Dryden]

I wonder what Lord’s source was for the rejected status. They are listed as unissued in the Blue Nite Discography.

Edited March 8, 2021 by Ken Dryden

[felser]

Certainly seems like a compatible rhythm section.   I've noticed that many rejected BN sessions are because of the drummer, and they regather with a different drummer a few days/weeks later and successfully cut the same material.  

[Chuck Nessa]

2 hours ago, felser said:

Certainly seems like a compatible rhythm section.   I've noticed that many rejected BN sessions are because of the drummer, and they regather with a different drummer a few days/weeks later and successfully cut the same material.  

That was earlier with Alfred in control. Producers have profiles not labels. With the change of control labels may imitate but not duplicate.

Edited March 8, 2021 by Chuck Nessa

[Ken Dryden]

I just did a bit of digging and found that two tracks unissued on the four LPs/ four CDs were included on the One Night With Blue Note DVD:

Lou Donaldson, Jimmy Smith, Kenny Burrell, Grady Tate:

Blues Walk

Stanley Turrentine, Jimmy Smith, Kenny Burrell, Grady Tate:

Scratch My Back

[jimmyjrg]

 

On 3/7/2021 at 4:27 AM, Chuck Nessa said:

When I was at Delmark in the middle '60s and we were purchasing Transition masters (we got a Donald Byrd and 2 Sun Ra sessions, one unissued) the master list provided to us said the Migliori was unissued and in the in the hands of Jay.

Sorry to revive such an old thread, but do you recall whether there were other unissued albums on that list? There were quite a few albums listed in the Transition booklets and brochures that never came out, and I'm curious if they even existed. I made a discography listing them all here.

[jazzbo]

I would really like to see issued the additional material that would have been on the two cd set of "A Drum is a Woman" that was planned, even advertised in cd inserts, from Columbia just before Phil was fired.

[clifford_thornton]

Really hope the full SME with Rashied Ali can properly surface someday.

The Alan Bates saga continues...

[colinmce]

Always been curious about the outtakes from Joe McPhee's Linear B  sessions. Some 59 improvisations were recorded. I can't imagine something couldn't be fashioned from the tapes if they still exist.

Sunny Murray Columbia session

Steve Lacy - Stations

So much Marion Brown from NYC ca. 64-67 ... music with Bill Dixon, Sunny Murray, Coltrane, Jacques Coursil 

Would be nice to get some additional documentation from Cecil Taylor's later years. The trio with Grimes & AkLaff and the orchestra, specifically.

And of course forever holding out hope that more Coltrane from 1966/67 can be uncovered, studio or live.

 

[clifford_thornton]

Re: the Murray Columbia, I've heard what there is -- incomplete session(s), but excellent and powerful music. It would not result in a full album as we think of such a thing.

Marion never performed with Bill Dixon, though they knew one another. There was an erroneous listing for a collaboration but Bill corrected that. Supposedly the tapes for the Coursil quartet with Marion survived, but nobody I know has actually heard them. It is a shame that ESP did not issue that music at the time.

[medjuck]

1 hour ago, jazzbo said:

I would really like to see issued the additional material that would have been on the two cd set of "A Drum is a Woman" that was planned, even advertised in cd inserts, from Columbia just before Phil was fired.

Was the additional material the music actually used in the broadcast?  Or is that what's already on the record? 

A little off track, but I would love to hear some of the material in the Savory collection which can not be issued because of the Benny Goodman and Ellington estates.   The Prez air-shots with Goodman are terrific as is the Ellington material ( think about one cd's worth.) Loren has said that there's no new songs featuring Charlie Christian but there are unissued performances.

[colinmce]

24 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said:

Re: the Murray Columbia, I've heard what there is -- incomplete session(s), but excellent and powerful music. It would not result in a full album as we think of such a thing.

Marion never performed with Bill Dixon, though they knew one another. There was an erroneous listing for a collaboration but Bill corrected that. Supposedly the tapes for the Coursil quartet with Marion survived, but nobody I know has actually heard them. It is a shame that ESP did not issue that music at the time.

Interesting, that's good to know re: Dixon, had never seen that factchecked before.

Guessing there's plenty of unissued Sunny to go around, would make a good box set to include the album takes alongside some other material.

[jazzbo]

30 minutes ago, medjuck said:

Was the additional material the music actually used in the broadcast?  Or is that what's already on the record? 

A little off track, but I would love to hear some of the material in the Savory collection which can not be issued because of the Benny Goodman and Ellington estates.   The Prez air-shots with Goodman are terrific as is the Ellington material ( think about one cd's worth.) Loren has said that there's no new songs featuring Charlie Christian but there are unissued performances.

I don't really know what the additional material was meant to be. I tried to get Cuscuna to tell me about it but all I got from his was no, this was not going to be coming out.

What we have had issued is the original recording, not the television broadcast material.

[Stonewall15]

Looking for Transition TRLP-18 "Jazz Downbeat" by Jay Migliori. It is listed in the Lord Discography.

[Niko]

On 5/27/2005 at 6:15 PM, Chuck Nessa said:

Of related interest:

 

Sam Margolis Quintet Melody Lounge. Lynn Mass. 11 October 1953

Dick Wetmore, tp; Sam Margolis, ts; Richard Twardzik, p; Whitney Cronin,

b; Jimmy Zitano, d.

unissued

 

* Theme (unidentified)

* Jumpin' at the Woodside

* Mean to Me

* Stompin' at the Savoy

* Ballad medley: Laura (Twardzik with rhythm)/ Body and Soul

* Caravan

* Round Midnight

* One o' Clock Jump

* Theme

I found this 2005 post by Chuck Nessa yesterday, and now I want this pretty badly...