Gheorghe Posted February 21, 2021 Report Posted February 21, 2021 On 20.2.2021 at 1:32 PM, sidewinder said: Yes, good call. Nice production by Teo Macero and like you I witnessed that tour where much of this material was featured. I think Al Foster’s drums were particularly well captured on the LPs. Yes, Al Foster ! For my taste, things went down from 1985 on, when he replaced Al Foster and went more into commercial stuff an it got more a kind of show, almost a parody of Miles, rather than stuff played in a band like on "We Want Miles" Quote
HutchFan Posted February 21, 2021 Author Report Posted February 21, 2021 On 2/20/2021 at 9:27 PM, Patrick said: No mention yet of John Carter's Roots and Folklore series? Oh yeah. IMO, Castles of Ghana and Fields should be any short-list of "Essential 80s Jazz" !!!  On 2/18/2021 at 1:22 PM, soulpope said:  On 2/20/2021 at 2:43 AM, soulpope said: soulpope - These two don't qualify because they were recorded in the 1970s -- even though they were released in the 1980s. The only reason I know this: They were both on my "Favorite Jazz from the 1970s" blog. IIRC, I first heard that Jerry Gonzalez record based on your recommendation... and I first heard that Bill Barron LP because of Jim Sangrey's often-noted Bill Barron-ophila!   On 2/18/2021 at 1:26 PM, Peter Friedman said: Thanks Peter! Not familiar with these two!   On 2/20/2021 at 10:25 PM, Д.Д. said: Recorded in 1980: Fred Anderson Quartet - The Milwaukee Tapes Vol.1 (Atavistic) The John Carter Quintet - Night Fire (Black Saint) Cecil Taylor - Fly! Fly! Fly! Fly! Fly! (MPS) Fred Anderson; Steve McCall - Vintage Duets: Chicago 1-11-80 (Okka Disk) Archie Shepp; Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen - Looking At Bird (SteepleChase) Andrew Hill - Faces of Hope (Soul Note) Julius Hemphill Quartet - Flat-Out Jump Suite (Black Saint) Bill Dixon - In Italy - Volume One (Black Saint) Idris Muhammad - Kabsha (Theresa) Stéphane Grappelli; Martial Solal - Happy Reunion (Owl) Bernd Konrad - Hans Koller Unit with Didier Lockwood - Phonolith (Hat Hut) - half of the tracks, the rest was recorded in 1994. And that's just one year. Great list. Thanks D.D.!!!  Quote
HutchFan Posted February 21, 2021 Author Report Posted February 21, 2021 10 hours ago, soulpope said: Yes!!! Great "companion record" to The Window.  Quote
sidewinder Posted February 21, 2021 Report Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gheorghe said: Yes, Al Foster ! For my taste, things went down from 1985 on, when he replaced Al Foster and went more into commercial stuff an it got more a kind of show, almost a parody of Miles, rather than stuff played in a band like on "We Want Miles" Yes, next time I saw him was in 85. The band with Scofield, Bob Berg and Robert Irving III. Fine performance - but Al was missed. Miles played quite a bit of organ. Teo captured Foster’s drums very well on ‘We Want Miles’. Edited February 21, 2021 by sidewinder Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 SRV's sole appearance on Blue Note, but the best cuts are with Sco. Quote
Guy Berger Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 One thing that hits home from this thread is how astro-turfy and phony the whole "young lions" marketing campaign was. There was tons of unhyped, high quality straight-ahead (and straight-ahead-adjacent) jazz recorded during the 80s. Quote
Rabshakeh Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 49 minutes ago, Guy Berger said: One thing that hits home from this thread is how astro-turfy and phony the whole "young lions" marketing campaign was. There was tons of unhyped, high quality straight-ahead (and straight-ahead-adjacent) jazz recorded during the 80s. I was impressed at how long the thread has gone before anyone even mentioned them. Quote
Dub Modal Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 Some great albums here. I'll try and list some that I really enjoy without repetition of what's already been mentioned: That'll do for now...tons more. Just about the entire Bee Hive catalog could be posted.   Quote
Dan Gould Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Rabshakeh said: I was impressed at how long the thread has gone before anyone even mentioned them. Back on the first page I listed Brian Lynch: Peer Pressure (Criss Cross) Ralph Moore: Round Trip (Reservoir) Mulgrew Miller: Work (Landmark) Scott Hamilton, Tenor Shoes (Concord) ******************************************************* I'd say each of those are early "young lions" and each are among their earliest leader dates, except for the Scott Hamilton recording - whether they had a lot of marketing behind them or not. Quote
Larry Kart Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Rabshakeh said: I was impressed at how long the thread has gone before anyone even mentioned them. Idiot here. I love those Carter albums. Quote
Rabshakeh Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dan Gould said: Back on the first page I listed Brian Lynch: Peer Pressure (Criss Cross) Ralph Moore: Round Trip (Reservoir) Mulgrew Miller: Work (Landmark) Scott Hamilton, Tenor Shoes (Concord) ******************************************************* I'd say each of those are early "young lions" and each are among their earliest leader dates, except for the Scott Hamilton recording - whether they had a lot of marketing behind them or not. I meant more the endless controversy, although I am a bit surprised at how few of those records have been mentioned too. I don't think they're that bad, although Guy Berger's "astro-turfy and phony" is a good phrase which I intend to adopt myself going ahead. Okay, here are my favourite jazz records of the 80s, in rough chronological order. Some may have already been mentioned above. Jack deJohnette - Special Edition Arthur Blythe - Illusions Fred Anderson - The Milwaukee Tapes, Vol. 1 Derek Bailey, John Zorn and George Lewis - Yankees Milcho Leviev - Blues for the Fishermen Andrew Hill - Strange Serenade Julius Hemphill - Flat Out Jump Suite Pharaoh Sanders - Journey to the One David Murray - Ming Derek Bailey - Aida Muhal Richard Abrams - Mama and Daddy World Saxophone Quartet - Steppin' Grover Washington Jr - Winelight Roscoe Mitchell and the Sound Ensemble - Snurdy McGurdy and her Dancing Shoes James Newton - Axum Chico Freeman - The Outside Within Phil Woods/Lew Tabackin - Phil Woods/Lew Tabackin Steve Lacy - N.Y. Capers & Quirks Chick Corea - Three Quartets Old and New Dreams - Playing Vinny Golia - The Gift of Fury Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions: Quartet Bill Dixon - November 1981 Mal Waldron and Steve Lacy - Live at Dreher Paris 1981 Keith Tippett - Mujician Lester Bowie - The Great Pretender Griot Galaxy - Kins Leo Cuyper - Heavy Days Are Here Again John Carter - Dauwhe Bob Moses - When Elephants Dream of Music Ethnic Heritage Ensemble - Impressions World Saxophone Quartet - Revue Roswell Rudd, Steve Lacy, Misha Mengelberg, Kent Carter and Han Bennink - Regeneration Billy Bang - Outline No. 12 George Adams Don Pullen Quartet - City Gates Joe McPhee Po Music - Oleo Kaoru Abe - Mort a Credit Kenny Baron Trio - Green Chimneys Steve Lacy Seven - Cliches Harrison/Blanchard - New York Second Line Lee Konitz and Martial Solal - Star Eyes, Hamburg 1983 Sun Ra - A Fireside Chat With Lucifer Jaco Pastorius - Invitation Trovesi Damiani Quintet - Roccellanea Khan Jamal Quartet - Dark Warrior Vienna Art Orchestra - The Minimalism of Eric Satie New Phil Woods Quintet - Integrity Fred Anderson - The Missing Link Peter Brotzmann - 14 Love Poems Paul Motian - The Story of Maryam Cecil Taylor - Winged Serpents (Sliding Quadrants) Grupo Niche - No Hay Quinto Malo Nate Morgan - Retribution, Reparation Position Alpha - The Great Sound of Sound Ray Anderson - Right Down Your Alley Dave Holland - Seeds of Time Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy - I Only Have Eyes for You John Hicks - Inc. 1 Anthony Braxton - Quartet (Coventry) 1985 Irene Schweizer - The Storming of the Winter Palace James Newton - The African Flower Joe Henderson - State of the Tenor John Carter - Castles of Ghana Last Exit - Last Exit Ran Blake Quartet - The Short Life of Barbara Monk Steve Lacy - Morning Joy Andrew Hill Trio and Quartet - Shades Tim Berne - Fulton Street Maul Irene Schweizer - Live at Taktlos Misha Mengelberg, Steve Lacy, George Lewis, Ernst Reijseger, Han Bennink - Dutch Masters Mal Waldron and Steve Lacy - Sempre Amore Edward Vesala - Lumi Out of the Blue - Live at Mount Fuji Charlie Haden / Paul Motian feat. Geri Allen - Etudes David Torn, Time Berne and Ches Smith - Cloud about Mercury Michael Brecker - Michael Brecker Charles Brackeen Quartet - Worshippers Come Nigh Irene Schweizer & Gunter Sommer - Irene Schweizer & Gunter Sommer John Zorn, George Lewis and Bill Frissell - News for Lulu Evan Parker - The Snake Decides Jerome Cooper Quintet - Outer and Interactions Gonzalo Rubalcabra - Mi Gran Pasion Derek Bailey and Cyro Baptista - CYRO Mal Waldron and Jim Pepper - Art of the Duo Muhal Richard Abrams - The Hearinga Suite Gary Thomas & Seventh Quadrant - Code Violations John Butcher, Phil Durrant, Paul Lovens, Radu Malfatti, John Russell - News from the Shed Henry Threadgill Sextet - Rag, Bush and All Paul Bley Trio - BeBopBeBopBeBopBeBop Edited February 23, 2021 by Rabshakeh Quote
Dub Modal Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Rabshakeh said: I meant more the endless controversy, although I am a bit surprised at how few of those records have been mentioned too. I don't think they're that bad, although Guy Berger's "astro-turfy and phony" is a good phrase which I intend to adopt myself going ahead. Okay, here are my favourite jazz records of the 80s, in rough chronological order. Some may have already been mentioned above. Jack deJohnette - Special Edition Arthur Blythe - Illusions Fred Anderson - The Milwaukee Tapes, Vol. 1 Derek Bailey, John Zorn and George Lewis - Yankees Milcho Leviev - Blues for the Fishermen Andrew Hill - Strange Serenade Julius Hemphill - Flat Out Jump Suite Pharaoh Sanders - Journey to the One David Murray - Ming Derek Bailey - Aida Muhal Richard Abrams - Mama and Daddy World Saxophone Quartet - Steppin' Grover Washington Jr - Winelight Roscoe Mitchell and the Sound Ensemble - Snurdy McGurdy and her Dancing Shoes James Newton - Axum Chico Freeman - The Outside Within Phil Woods/Lew Tabackin - Phil Woods/Lew Tabackin Steve Lacy - N.Y. Capers & Quirks Chick Corea - Three Quartets Old and New Dreams - Playing Vinny Golia - The Gift of Fury Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions: Quartet Bill Dixon - November 1981 Mal Waldron and Steve Lacy - Live at Dreher Paris 1981 Keith Tippett - Mujician Lester Bowie - The Great Pretender Griot Galaxy - Kins Leo Cuyper - Heavy Days Are Here Again John Carter - Dauwhe Bob Moses - When Elephants Dream of Music Ethnic Heritage Ensemble - Impressions World Saxophone Quartet - Revue Roswell Rudd, Steve Lacy, Misha Mengelberg, Kent Carter and Han Bennink - Regeneration Billy Bang - Outline No. 12 George Adams Don Pullen Quartet - City Gates Joe McPhee Po Music - Oleo Kaoru Abe - Mort a Credit Kenny Baron Trio - Green Chimneys Steve Lacy Seven - Cliches Harrison/Blanchard - New York Second Line Lee Konitz and Martial Solal - Star Eyes, Hamburg 1983 Sun Ra - A Fireside Chat With Lucifer Jaco Pastorius - Invitation Trovesi Damiani Quintet - Roccellanea Khan Jamal Quartet - Dark Warrior Vienna Art Orchestra - The Minimalism of Eric Satie New Phil Woods Quintet - Integrity Fred Anderson - The Missing Link Peter Brotzmann - 14 Love Poems Paul Motian - The Story of Maryam Cecil Taylor - Winged Serpents (Sliding Quadrants) Grupo Niche - No Hay Quinto Malo Nate Morgan - Retribution, Reparation Position Alpha - The Great Sound of Sound Ray Anderson - Right Down Your Alley Dave Holland - Seeds of Time Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy - I Only Have Eyes for You John Hicks - Inc. 1 Anthony Braxton - Quartet (Coventry) 1985 Irene Schweizer - The Storming of the Winter Palace James Newton - The African Flower Joe Henderson - State of the Tenor John Carter - Castles of Ghana Last Exit - Last Exit Ran Blake Quartet - The Short Life of Barbara Monk Steve Lacy - Morning Joy Andrew Hill Trio and Quartet - Shades Tim Berne - Fulton Street Maul Irene Schweizer - Live at Taktlos Misha Mengelberg, Steve Lacy, George Lewis, Ernst Reijseger, Han Bennink - Dutch Masters Mal Waldron and Steve Lacy - Sempre Amore Edward Vesala - Lumi Out of the Blue - Live at Mount Fuji Charlie Haden / Paul Motian feat. Geri Allen - Etudes David Torn, Time Berne and Ches Smith - Cloud about Mercury Michael Brecker - Michael Brecker Charles Brackeen Quartet - Worshippers Come Nigh Irene Schweizer & Gunter Sommer - Irene Schweizer & Gunter Sommer John Zorn, George Lewis and Bill Frissell - News for Lulu Evan Parker - The Snake Decides Jerome Cooper Quintet - Outer and Interactions Gonzalo Rubalcabra - Mi Gran Pasion Derek Bailey and Cyro Baptista - CYRO Mal Waldron and Jim Pepper - Art of the Duo Muhal Richard Abrams - The Hearinga Suite Gary Thomas & Seventh Quadrant - Code Violations John Butcher, Phil Durrant, Paul Lovens, Radu Malfatti, John Russell - News from the Shed Henry Threadgill Sextet - Rag, Bush and All Paul Bley Trio - BeBopBeBopBeBopBeBop So many good albums there. And astroturfing is probably the correct word for that situation back then. Don't know who the publicist/agent/marketing team involved was but they obviously had good connections. A few more 80s albums I enjoy: That's obviously a comp that was released in '88 And some more: Quote
Rabshakeh Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 29 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: Â I was going to put that one down! But I had a failure of will. Quote
Guy Berger Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Dan Gould said: Back on the first page I listed Brian Lynch: Peer Pressure (Criss Cross) Ralph Moore: Round Trip (Reservoir) Mulgrew Miller: Work (Landmark) Scott Hamilton, Tenor Shoes (Concord) ******************************************************* I'd say each of those are early "young lions" and each are among their earliest leader dates, except for the Scott Hamilton recording - whether they had a lot of marketing behind them or not. Dan - I don't disagree that there were younger musicians making strong straight-ahead jazz during the 1980s. Mostly I'm contesting the nonsensical narrative (which was probably more common 15-30 years ago) that a small group of younger musicians somehow "saved" straight ahead jazz during this period. As this thread shows, the scene was alive and well, and didn't need "saving". Quote
Dub Modal Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rabshakeh said: I was going to put that one down! But I had a failure of will. I love the grooves on that record. No shame in the game! Quote
Dan Gould Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, Guy Berger said: Dan - I don't disagree that there were younger musicians making strong straight-ahead jazz during the 1980s. Mostly I'm contesting the nonsensical narrative (which was probably more common 15-30 years ago) that a small group of younger musicians somehow "saved" straight ahead jazz during this period. As this thread shows, the scene was alive and well, and didn't need "saving". I agree Guy, I just knew that I had mentioned some young lions early on, though I didn't call them that. It's nice to be past that part of history. Nowadays the scene sucks for everybody, and jazz is way past the 'smells funny' phase too. Kidding. Sort of. Quote
ejp626 Posted February 23, 2021 Report Posted February 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, Dan Gould said: I agree Guy, I just knew that I had mentioned some young lions early on, though I didn't call them that. It's nice to be past that part of history. Nowadays the scene sucks for everybody, and jazz is way past the 'smells funny' phase too. Kidding. Sort of. If TikTok can make sea shanties entertaining, I can't believe it can't "save" jazz for at least another media cycle or two... Somebody should get on that. Quote
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