Old Testament Basie: filling gaps

[JSngry]

I don't count AFRS Jubilee, just commercial radio broadcasts...not all are Famous Door, they come from all places. I say 3 CDs, but I don't know, I received them as files, and there were three folders worth of files. Never ported them over to hard copy, so...

you want to get the one where the announcer says "Cown Bazzie"...I think it might be from somewhere in Pennsylvania?

[medjuck]

1 hour ago, JSngry said:

I don't count AFRS Jubilee, just commercial radio broadcasts...not all are Famous Door, they come from all places. I say 3 CDs, but I don't know, I received them as files, and there were three folders worth of files. Never ported them over to hard copy, so...

you want to get the one where the announcer says "Cown Bazzie"...I think it might be from somewhere in Pennsylvania?

• There are 1937 airshots from the William Penn Hotel, Pittsburgh and The Savoy Ballroom, NY. 

[bluesbro]

Thanks everyone. I think I'll jump on the Savory Mosaic before it runs out. 

[JSngry]

11 minutes ago, medjuck said:

• There are 1937 airshots from the William Penn Hotel, Pittsburgh and The Savoy Ballroom, NY. 

Yeah, '37.

I gotta look at the files again, there's some details in there. All I know is that it's a lot, and it's damn near all elevational.

This is the type of thing that ought to be able to be collated and presented as a cohesive slice of the global musical history that it is. If that means doing something "non-profit", so be it. These weren't records made for/with commercial intent, these are radio broadcasts that just happened to get captured whil trying to make it out into the ether.

Can we as a people still do non-profit as a real thing, not just as a hook?

[JSngry]

That's kinda how I got it to begin with...just not openly.

Just putting this up here so people know that it exists, if you're looking to "fill in the cracks" of OT Basie, REALLY wanting to do that, hey, go get it somehow. If you're looking to dabble, keep outta this, dabbling is pretty easy and dabblers are easily satisfied.

People who need to find it will find it. Otherwise next thing you know, the Andormaniacs spew it all over the place and so much for that, nobody will need to hear it because everybody's heard it,

I'm all for availability, but every bit as much in favor of discernment. Just because you have it doesn't mean you know it, you talk about the debasement of the language, hell this is the Age Of Debasement, sorry, it just is.

[JSngry]

Ok - 4 folders, 1937-1940, 99 tracks in total. Here's the discography that came with the files. I think this might be just the airchecks with Prez solos.If more has come to light since then, beautiful! Definitely does not include the Savory recordings.

OOPS found a missing item already, Green Bay, WI, 3.07.1940.

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radio broadcast, live "The Chatterbox", William Penn Hotel, Pittsburg, PA, February 10, 1937

Moten swing (theme) Jazz Moderne, Jazz Archives JA16

King Porter stomp - -

I'll always be in love with you - -

You do the darndest things, baby ! (jr vcl) - -

Swinging at the Daisy Chain - -

Yeah man ! (incomplete) -

Caughey Roberts (cl-3)

radio broadcast, live "The Chatterbox", William Penn Hotel, Pittsburg, PA, February 12, 1937

Lady be good Jazz Archives JA16, Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD48 [CD]

Tattersfield stomp (3) - -

Magnolias in the moonlight (inc) (3)

Buck Clayton (tp,arr) Ed Lewis, Bobby Moore (tp) Eddie Durham, Benny Morton, Dan Minor (tb) Earl Warren, Eddie Durham (tb, g), (as,bassax) Herschel Evans (ts) Lester Young (ts,cl) Jack Washington (alto,bar) Count Basie (p) Freddie Green (g) Walter Page (b) Jo Jones (d) Jimmy Rushing, Billie Holiday (vcl), Fletcher Henderson (arr)

radio broadcast, "Meadowbrook", Cedar Grove, N.J., November 3, 1937

Moten swing (theme, bc arr) Bulldog (E)AJKL/BDL-2020, Collectors Classics

(Dan)CC-9, Ember (E)CJS-849, IBC (It)GJ-79, Joker

(It)SM-3109, Jazz Society (F)67410, Phontastic

(Swd)NOST-7640, Astan Q-40064 [Cass]

One o'clock jump Alamac QSR-2412, Black Lion (G)127.033,

Bull (E)AJKL/BDL-2020, ColC (Dan)CC-9, DGR (Du)

2003, Ember (E)CJS-849, IBC (It)GJ-79, Jazz Soc

(F)67410, Pelekum EHCB-4038, Phon (Swd)NOST-7640,

Astan (Swi)Q-40064 [Cass], Deja Vu (It)DVMC-2009

[cass]

I can't get started (bh vcl, bc arr) Bravo (E)BR-374, Adam 8002A/B, Audio Fidelity

AFE3-3, Brookville LCA-5000 (LCA-0004), Cambra

(E)CR-139, CBS (Eu)BP-233412, 63065, (Jap)YBPC-1,

Columbia C3L-21 (CL-1759), KG-32121 (C-32123),

CL-2666, P4-12969 (P-12971), Joker (It)SM-3289

Musica Jazz (It)2MJP-1024, Phontastic (Swd)

NOST-7640, Saga (E)ERO-8014, PAN-6918, Saga

(E)CA-6918 [Cass], Cambra (E)CRT-139 [Cass],

Columbia Legacy C4K87110 [CD], Columbia/Legacy

CXK85470 [CD], Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD37 [CD]

A study in brown (fh arr) Alamac QSR-2412, Black Lion (G)127.033,

Bulldog (E)AJKL/BDL-2020, ColC (Dan)CC-9,

Ember (E)CJS-849, IBC (It)GJ-79, JSoc (F)67410,

Phon (Swd)NOST-7640, Astan (Swi)Q-40064 [Cass],

Deja Vu (It)DVMC-2009 [Cass], Drive DE2-41063 [CD]

(I got) Rhythm in my nursery rhymes (jr vcl) Alamac QSR-2412, Black Lion (G)127.033,

ColC (Dan)CC-9, Jazz Society (F)67410,

Koala AW-14217, Phon (Swd)NOST-7640

John's idea (ed arr) Alamac QSR-2412, Black Lion (G)127.033,

ColC (Dan)CC-9, Jazz Society (F)67410,

Phon (Swd)NOST-7640

Good morning blues (jr vcl) Alamac QSR-2412, Black Lion (G)127.033,

Bulldog (E)AJKL/BDL-2020, ColC (Dan)CC-9, Ember

(E)CJS-849, IBC (It)GJ-79, Jazz Society (F)67410,

Koala AW-14217, Phon (Swd)NOST-7640, Astan

(Swi)Q-40064 [Cass], Deja Vu (It)DVMC-2009 [Cass]

Dinah (jr vcl) Jazz Society (F)AA-602, Alamac QSR-2412,

Black Lion (G)127.033, Bulldog (E)AJKL/BDL-2020,

ColC (Dan)CC-9, Ember (E)CJS-849, IBC (It)GJ-79,

Jazz Soc (F)67410, Koala AW-14217, Phont (Swd)

NOST-7640, Astan (Swi)Q-40064 [Cass], Deja Vu

(It)DVMC-2009[cass]

Count Basie And His Orchestra : Buck Clayton (tp,arr) Harry "Sweets" Edison, Ed Lewis (tp) Dickie Wells (tb) Dan Minor, Benny Morton (tb) Earl Warren (as) Herschel Evans (ts,cl-1,arr) Lester Young (ts,cl-2) Jack Washington (as,bar) Count Basie (p) Freddie Green (g) Walter Page (b) Jo Jones (d) Jimmy Rushing (vcl) Edgar Battle, Helen Humes (vcl), Eddie Durham, Don Kirkpatrick (arr), Charles Arlington (mc)

radio broadcast, "America Dances", New York City, July 9, 1938

One o'clock jump (opening theme) Collectors Classics (Dan)CC-9, Palm (E)30-06,

Musidisc (F)30JA-5172, Phontastic (Swd)NOST-7640,

Fanfare 18-118, Pelekum EHCB-4038

Every tub (ed arr) Columbia 33301(demo disc), Bulldog (E)BDL-2020,

CBS (Eu)26033, ColC (Dan)CC-9, Franklin Mint

GJR057, FM-17, Koala AW-14217,

Columbia G31224, Ember (E)CJS-849,

Fanfare 18-118, Jazz Society (F)67410,

Mus (F)30JA-5172, Palm (E)30-06, Pelekum EHCB-4038

Phon (Swd)NOST-7640, Trip TLP-5818

Astan (Swi)Q-40064 [Cass], CBS/Columbia

CGT-31224 [Cass], Deja (It)Vu DVMC-2009 [Cass],

Drive DE2-41063 [CD]

Song of the wanderer (hh vcl) Coll. Classics (Dan)CC-9, Jazz Society (F)67410,

Columbia G31224, Fan 18-118,

Koala AW-14217, Mus (F)30JA-5172, Palm (E)30-06,

Pelekum EHCB-4038, Phon (Swd)NOST-7640,

CBS/Columbia CGT-31224 [Cass]

Flat foot floogie (jr,band vcl) Bulldog (E)BDL-2020, ColC (Dan)CC-9, Palm (E)30-06

Ember (E)CJS-849, Fanfare 18-118, IBC (It)GJ-79,

JSoc (F)67410, Koala AW-14217, Mus (F)30JA-5172,

Pelekum EHCB-4038, Phon (Swd)NOST-7640,

Trip TLP-5818, Astan Q-40064 [Cass]

Lady be good (ens vcl) Bulldog (E)BDL-2020, Fanfare 18-118, Trip TLP-5818

CBS (Eu)26033, ColC (Dan)CC-9, Ember (E)CJS-849,

IBC (It)GJ-79, Joker (It)SM-3109, Koala AW-14217,

JSoc (F)67410, Mus (F)30JA-5172, Palm (E)30-06,

Pelekum EHCB-4038, Phon (Swd)NOST-7640,

Pentagon (G)U/50046, Astan (Swi)Q-40064 [Cass],

Cambra (E)CRT-119 [Cass], Pent (G)950046 [Cass],

Drive DE2-41063 [CD]

Boogie woogie blues (jr,ens vcl) Bulldog (E)BDL-2020, ColC (Dan)CC-9,

Ember (E)CJS-849, Fan 18-118, JSoc (F)67410,

Koala AW-14217, Mus (F)30JA-5172, Palm (E)30-06,

Pelekum EHCB-4038, Phon (Swd)NOST-7640, Trip

TLP-5818, Astan (Swi)Q-40064 [Cass], Deja Vu

(It)DVMC-2009 [Cass]

One o'clock jump ColC (Dan)CC-9, Fan 18-118, Jazz Society (F)67410

Koala AW-14217, Musidisc (F)30JA-5172, Palm (E)

30-06, Pelekum EHCB-4038, Phon (Swd)NOST-7640,

Cambra CRT-119 [Cass]

I let a song go out of my heart (jr vcl) (*) Fanfare 18-118, Palm (E)30-06, Pelekum EHCB-4038,

Phon (Swd)NOST-7640

One o'clock jump (closing theme) (*) Fanfare 18-118, Phon (Swd)NOST-7640

radio broadcast, "Famous Door", New York City, August 9, 1938

One o'clock jump (opng theme) Jazz Arch JA41, Jazz Pan (Swd)LP23, VJC 1033 [CD],

Jazz Hour JH3003 [CD]

King Porter stomp (fh arr) Jazz Arch JA41, Jazz Pan (Swd)LP23, EPM

(F)FDC5510 [CD], VJC 1033 [CD], Jazz Hour JH3003

[CD]

John's Idea (*) Jazz Hour JH3003 [CD]

I've got a date with a dream (jr vcl) Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD85 [CD]

Lady be good (not complete) -

Count Basie And His Orchestra : Buck Clayton (tp,arr) Harry "Sweets" Edison, Ed Lewis (tp) Dicky Wells (tb) Dan Minor, Benny Morton (tb) Earl Warren (as) Herschel Evans (ts,cl-1,arr) Lester Young (ts,cl-2) Jack Washington (as,bar) Count Basie (p) Freddie Green (g) Walter Page (b) Jo Jones (d) Jimmy Rushing (vcl) Helen Humes (vcl), Edgar Battle, Eddie Durham, Don Kirkpatrick (arr)

radio broadcast, "Famour Door", New York City, August 12, 1938

I haven't changed a thing (hh vcl) Jazz Arch JA41, EPM (F)FDC5510 [CD], VJC 1033 [CD]

radio broadcast, "Famour Door", New York City, August 12, 1938

I haven't changed a thing (hh vcl) Jazz Arch JA41, EPM (F)FDC5510 [CD], VJC 1033 [CD]

Note: mx. 64471 & 64472 arranged by Don Redman

radio broadcast, "Famous Door", New York City, August 23, 1938

Yeah man Jazz Pan (Swd)LP23, Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD87 [CD]

John's idea - -

Melody in F - -

Must we just be friends? (hh vcl)

Herschel Evans (cl-1)

radio broadcast, "Famous Door", New York City, August 24, 1938

Nagasaki [slip horn jive] (ed arr) Jazz Arch JA41, Fanfare LP18-118, VJC 1033 [CD]

Doggin' around (hev,eb arr,1) - - -

One o'clock jump (**)

Lester Young (cl-1)

radio broadcast, "Famous Door", New York City, September 6, 1938

Indiana (1) Jazz Arch JA41, VJC 1033 [CD]

Out the window (incomplete) (ed arr) - , Fanfare LP18-118, VJC 1033* [CD],

Jazz Hour JH3003 [CD]

Herschel Evans (cl-1)

radio broadcast, "Famous Door", New York City, September 13, 1938

Wo-ta-ta (1,*) Jazz Arch JA41, Fanfare LP18-118, VJC 1033 [CD]

Indiana (incomplete) - -

Love of my life (hh vcl) - -

John's idea (**) - -

Horace Henderson (arr)

radio broadcast, "Famous Door", New York, Oct. 9 or 10, 1938

Yeah man ! [Yeah yeah] (hh arr) Jazz Arch JA41, Fanfare LP18-118, VJC 1033 [CD]

Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD87 [CD], Jazz Hour JH3003

[CD]

Count Basie And His Orchestra : Buck Clayton (tp,arr) Harry "Sweets" Edison, Ed Lewis (tp) Dicky Wells (tb,g,arr) Dan Minor, Benny Morton (tb) Earl Warren (as) Herschel Evans (ts,cl-1,arr) Lester Young (ts,cl-2) Jack Washington (as,bar) Count Basie (p) Freddie Green (g) Walter Page (b) Jo Jones (d) Jimmy Rushing (vcl) Edgar Battle, Eddie Durham, Don Kirkpatrick (arr)

Harry James (tp-1) Herschel Evans (cl-2) Fletcher Henderson (arr)

radio broadcast, "Famous Door", New York City, July 23, 1938

Time out (ed arr) Jazz Hour JH3003 [CD]

If I could be with you one hour tonight (hh vcl) -

Jumpin' at the Woodside (2) - , Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD111 [CD]

I hadn't anyone till you (jr vcl) -

King Porter stomp (fh arr,1) IAJRC 14, EPM (F)FDC5510 [CD], Masters of Jazz

(F)MJCD85 [CD], Jazz Hour JH3003 [CD]

Lady be good Jazz Pan (Swd)LP2, Joker (It)SM3113, SM3428, Jazz

Hour JH3003 [CD], Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD85 [CD]

Everybody loves my baby (not complete) Jazz Hour JH3003 [CD]

radio broadcasts, "Famous Door", NYC, July 11-Nov. 12, 1938

Limehouse blues Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD111 [CD]

One o'clock jump -

One o'clock jump (alt. fragment) -

King porter stomp -

Sent for you yesterday (jr vcl)

Buck Clayton (tp) Herschel Evans, Lester Young (ts) Count Basie (p) Walter Page (b) Jo Jones (d) together with members of Benny Goodman's orchestra

radio broadcast, "Camel Caravan", New York City, November 15, 1938

Lady be good Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD 111 [CD]

Count Basie And His Orchestra : Buck Clayton, Shad Collins, Harry "Sweets" Edison, Ed Lewis (tp) Dicky Wells, Dan Minor, Benny Morton (tb) Earl Warren (as) Buddy Tate, Lester Young (ts) Jack Washington (as,bar) Count Basie (p) Freddie Green (g) Walter Page (b) Jo Jones (d) Jimmy Rushing, Helen Humes (vcl) Jimmy Mundy, Eddie Durham (arr)

radio broadcast, "Panther Room", Hotel Sherman, Chicago, June 4, 1939

Jump for me [southland shuffle] (ag arr) Jazz Arch JA41, VJC 1033 [CD]

One o'clock jump (inc) Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD158 [CD]

radio broadcast, "Panther Room", Hotel Sherman, Chicago, June 5, 1939

Moten swing Jazz Arch JA41, Joker (It)SM3969, SM3970/2,

Columbia Legacy C4K87110 [CD]

Darktown strutter's ball Jazz Arch JA41

One o'clock jump (clsg theme)

radio broadcast, "Panther Room", Hotel Sherman, Chicago, June 10, 1939

I've found a new baby Jazz Pan (Swd)LP23, Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD158

[CD]

Thinking of you (interrupted before jr vcl) Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD158 [CD]

Fletcher Henderson (arr) John Havard (announcer)

radio broadcast, "America Dances", Famous Door, New York, July 15, 1939

One o'clock jump (theme) Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD158 [CD]

Swinging the blues (ed arr) Jazz Arch JA42, Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD158 [CD]

Rock-a-bye Basie (jm arr) Jazz Arch JA41, -

Don't worry 'bout me (hh vcl) (ag arr) Jazz Arch JA42, -

Time out (ed arr) - -

Boogie woogie blues (jr,ens vcl) Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD158 [CD]

Roseland shuffle (fh arr) Jazz Arch JA42, Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD158 [CD]

White sails (hh vcl) -

Clap hands, here comes Charlie (jm arr) - -

One o'clock jump (program closing) Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD158 [CD]

Count Basie And His Orchestra : Buck Clayton (tp,arr) Al Killian, Harry "Sweets" Edison, Ed Lewis (tp) Vic Dickenson, , Dicky Wells, Dan Minor (tb) Earl Warren (as) Lester Young, Buddy Tate (ts) Jack Washington (as,bar) Count Basie (p,arr) Freddie Green (g) Walter Page (b) Jo Jones (d) Helen Humes, Jimmy Rushing (vcl) respectively Don Redman, Eddie Durham (arr) Fred Cole (mc)

radio broadcast, "Southland Theater Restaurant", Boston, MA, February 20, 1940

One o'clock jump (theme)

Collectors Classics (Dan)CC-11, Jazz Panorama

(Swd)LP-23, Jazz Society (Swd)AA-512, Joker

(It)SM-3084, Musidisc (F)30JA-5157, 20498 [Cass]

Ebony rhapsody (dr arr)

ColC (Dan)CC-11, DJM (E)DJML-068, Trip TLP5818,

JP (Swd)LP-23, Joker (It)SM-3084, JSoc (Swd)AA-512

Mus (F)30JA-5157, Mus 20498 [Cass], Columbia

Legacy C4K87110 [CD]

Riff interlude (cb arr)

ColC (Dan)CC-11, DJM (E)DJML-068,Joker (It)SM-3084

Jazz Society (Swd)AA-512, Trip TFL5818,

Mus (F)30JA5157, 20498 [Cass]

Darn that dream (hh vcl)

ColC (Dan)CC-11, DJM (E)DJML-068, Jazz Society

(Swd)AA-512, Joker (It)SM-3109, Mus (F)30JA-5157,

Pentagon (G)U/50046, Trip TFL5818, Mus (F)20498

[Cass], Pentagon (G)950046 [Cass], Columbia

Legacy C4K87110 [CD]

Take It, Prez !

ColC (Dan)CC-11, DJM (E)DJML-068,Joker (It)SM-3084

Jazz Pan (Swd)LP-23, Jazz Soc (Swd)AA-512,

Trip TFL5818, Mus (F)30JA-5157, 20498 [Cass],

Fenn Music FJD2705 [CD], Columbia Legacy

C4K87110 [CD]

Baby, don't you tell on me (jr vcl, ed arr)

ColC (Dan)CC-11, DJM (E)DJML-068, Trip TFL5818,

Jazz Society (Swd)AA-512, Joker (It)SM-3084,

Mus (F)30JA-5157, 20498 [Cass], Columbia Legacy

C4K87110 [CD]

If I could be with you (hh vcl)

Jazz Pan (Swd)LP-23, Jazz Society (Swd)AA-512

I got rhythm

Jazz Society (Swd)AA-602, Jazz Panorama (Swd)LP-23

Jazz Society (Swd)AA-512, Columbia Legacy C4K87110 [CD]

 

[JSngry]

2 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

This applies to people who buy pieces of plastic to place on their shelves as much as to people who download digital files to store on their hard drives. I'm sure you're familiar with the obsessive collector type who fetishizes the physical product to the extent that he has six remastered super deluxe editions of the same title in his collection. Hell, you may be one of them. Just because you paid $50 and waited two weeks to get a CD from overseas doesn't mean you know the music better than someone who downloaded a bit-perfect digital copy of it with scans for free in minutes.

I've paid nothing for these files and have yet to burn the to any kind of a physical medium (except a hard drive and an iPod). I have, however, played the fuck out of them over the years and feel I do know them pretty well, actually, because, repeated, non-distracted listening is good about getting you that.

So...what were you saying again?

5 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

So if Mosaic, say, issued a box set of Basie's complete broadcasts, I guess that would be only for dabblers. Anyone who bought that box wouldn't be able to appreciate the music because they didn't work hard enough to acquire it. XD

If Mosaic gets THAT together, hey, somebody will have died an gone to somebody's heaven, somewhere. It won't be this world.

But ok, traveling through this paradisaical hypothetical,  I would but it just because I would take it as an article of faith that the peoples who should have gotten paid would have gotten paid. That's important to me. And a good book included with groovy pictures, yes, I would drool over that got several days.

But would I ever listen to all of it, or just whatever parts I didn't already have? Maybe, maybe not. Because the object is one thing, the music another. T'wasn't always so, but, really home taping killed all that shit and I know I did plenty of that. Yes - I killed the music industry. I was that guy. But god knows, I keep making atonement. And yet I keep sinning, so...fuck me, I am doomed. And am ok with that.

As for other people, I know how people do, people hear a song and think they know the record. Not everybody, obviously, but most, even more obviously.

 

btw - the discography I put in there...anybody who wants to dabble before committing (or quitting), thre ya' go, there's the map to get you going on which will you do.

[JSngry]

8 hours ago, Captain Howdy said:

I was saying, in Basie's day all you had to do to hear the music was turn on the radio at the right time, but now you're saying we can't make it easy to hear it. 

I'm saying if you want to hear Count Basie playing live on the radio today, you're going to have a set of difficulties that have nothing to do with me.

8 hours ago, Captain Howdy said:

1937-06-30 Savoy Ballroom, MBS

1938-06-03 NYC

1938-07 & 08 probably The Famous Door

CBS broadcast, Famous Door, New York City, July 23, 1938. (Live 1938 at The Famous Door, NYC [1997 Jazz Hour CDs])

1944-01-10 Lang-Worth Transcriptions, Liederkranz Hall, NYC

All sets on The Golden Years (Jazz Archives) except where noted.

Oh crap, more to look for now...although transcriptions are a different breed (in my mind), as are AFRS shows...the area I like to focus on is the Lester-Jo Mojo Show, of which there is sure to be much on those broadcasts, so....i will get busy, thanks for the pointer!

[gmonahan]

On 4/7/2021 at 7:30 AM, bluesbro said:

Thanks everyone. I think I'll jump on the Savory Mosaic before it runs out. 

A very wise decision!

 

 

gregmo