Guest youmustbe Posted August 25, 2003 Report Posted August 25, 2003 Yeah, HEAVY WEATHER is a great POP album. Just about perfect!!! Nowhere to go but down, after it. Especially when Erskine came in. never felt right. MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER is my favorite though. Although, to be fair, the last one with Jaco has some very hip shit. Fusion was a stange, once only musical era, in retrospect. Instrumental Rock and Roll. Audience loved it and then went somewhere else. I mean, who would you rather listen to back in those days, end of 70's, beginning 80's? Chick or Talking Heads? Or think, as WR was coming to a sorry end with Omar and Victor, (sad, but true. Does anyone listen to those records?), Herbie wa into ROCKIT. Hip Hop was starting to kill, regular Pop was marvelously inventive, like say, Elvis Costello, Brian Ferry, Robert Palmer, take your pick. Philip Glass and Steve Reich had hit their stride. And fusion? Like anything else, it seeped into the musical language, still does. But, the halcyon days are gone. They were great. The xcitement as WR hit the stage, back in the 70's. RTF in 74 at Carnegie Hall. Jeff Beck with Jan Hammer at The Palladium. That's what the Swing Era must have been likewhen BG played at The Paramount. Quote
JSngry Posted August 25, 2003 Report Posted August 25, 2003 Only good ones! And, that "Boogie Woogie Waltz" is a dangerous, DANGEROUS piece of music. You yhink yhere's nothing there, but you keep coming back to it, over and over. Finally, you don't CARE if there's anything there or not, you just gotta have it, whatever it is or isn't. That's my experience anyway... Quote
Joe G Posted August 25, 2003 Author Report Posted August 25, 2003 Sweetnighter's on the short list. I just ordered Live and Unreleased from BMG. Should be arriving this week. Quote
jazzbo Posted August 25, 2003 Report Posted August 25, 2003 Sweetnighter is a good one. Man, those Shorter pieces on the second side are among my favorites of his work of the seventies. Just great stuff! Quote
Guy Berger Posted August 25, 2003 Report Posted August 25, 2003 Any thoughts on SWEETNIGHTER? Essential. Sweetnighter is WR's best album (barring perhaps Live in Tokyo). "Boogie Woogie Waltz" stands out simply because it's so funky and catchy, but each of the tracks has something to offer. Guy Quote
lukrion Posted August 25, 2003 Report Posted August 25, 2003 I've never heard Sweetnighter. For some reason I keep passing it up, probably when I'm at a point where I've just had my fill of WR. Black Market is perhaps my favorate Jaco WR. Killer bass lines. Quote
rockefeller center Posted August 25, 2003 Report Posted August 25, 2003 Black Market is perhaps my favorate Jaco WR. Killer bass lines. Yes! And here's one of JP's sons (Felix Pastorius, bass) with a Dutch big band: Barbary Coast http://www.jacop.net/sounds/BarbaryCoast[1].mp3 (due to the brackets the link won't take you to the file automatically, copy paste instead) Quote
Big Al Posted August 25, 2003 Report Posted August 25, 2003 Not that it matters, but the main reason I asked is because I listened to MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER thru the headphones the other night, and those last three tracks hold pleasures I hadn't heard with simple listening. I was thinking that SWEETNIGHTER might've been along the same lines. I guess I'll just have to get it and find out for myself! Quote
Guy Berger Posted August 26, 2003 Report Posted August 26, 2003 Not that it matters, but the main reason I asked is because I listened to MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER thru the headphones the other night, and those last three tracks hold pleasures I hadn't heard with simple listening. I was thinking that SWEETNIGHTER might've been along the same lines. Sweetnighter is a rougher, rawer album than Mysterious Traveller -- there's a lot less orchestration and post-production. Guy Quote
Joe G Posted August 28, 2003 Author Report Posted August 28, 2003 Quote from Big Althe lineup on Black Market, which seems to have only lasted for this one album, is the one that does it for me! You might like to check out Live and Unreleased. There are several tracks with Chester Thompson on drums, and either Jaco or Alphonso on bass. The shit rocks. Quote
Joe G Posted August 28, 2003 Author Report Posted August 28, 2003 Just wondering if anyone knows about the latest remaster of Mysterious Traveller. It has a very dampened sound compared to Tale Spinnin' and Black Market. Also I heard some dropout in the middle of the first track. It sounds to me like it came from a secondary source. Anyone have the scoop on it? Quote
Joe G Posted September 1, 2003 Author Report Posted September 1, 2003 Get a copy of LIVE IN TOKYO by any means necessary. Barnes & Noble.com has the two disc set for $27.99 and free shipping. I just placed my order. Quote
CJ Shearn Posted September 1, 2003 Report Posted September 1, 2003 Jim, I picked up "Live and Unreleased" yesterday, I've heard a lot of stuff from seasoned WR fans that it is not considered to be their best, I think it's very nice, especially "Where the Moon Goes" and Jaco's feature. I think I may order Live in Tokyo in a few mins. CDUniverse has it for $21.89. Money that I need for school stuff, goin down the drain Quote
rockefeller center Posted September 1, 2003 Report Posted September 1, 2003 Just wondering if anyone knows about the latest remaster of Mysterious Traveller. It has a very dampened sound compared to Tale Spinnin' and Black Market. Also I heard some dropout in the middle of the first track. It sounds to me like it came from a secondary source. Anyone have the scoop on it? Can you give us the cue where this dropout occurs. I'd like to compare it to the vinyl release. Quote
JSngry Posted September 1, 2003 Report Posted September 1, 2003 CDUniverse has it for $21.89. Money that I need for school stuff, goin down the drain Hey, that's the REAL school you're fixin' to order! Quote
Joe G Posted September 1, 2003 Author Report Posted September 1, 2003 (edited) Can you give us the cue where this dropout occurs. I'd like to compare it to the vinyl release. Listening on headphones as I type this... a pretty noticable dropout occurs at 6:54, and I think that's the one that caught my attention. But the crash cymbals seem to be in rough shape all the way through. I don't know the techical term for it, but the sound never sustains in a continuous manner. It just occurred to me that you might only have the vinyl, in which case the track timing wouldn't help. There's a theme that gets introduced at the halfway point and eventually is used to end the song. It's kind of a two part melody, and the first time through, part one gets played only twice, then the second part is played. Second time through, part one gets played four times, and it's during the fourth repeat that the dropout occurs. Sorry if you do have the cd, then all that was unnecessary. Although it did make me pay attention in a new way, so that was fun. B) Let me know what you find. Edited September 1, 2003 by Joe G Quote
rockefeller center Posted September 1, 2003 Report Posted September 1, 2003 Joe, mp3s of both the vinyl and the 2002 CD: 2002 CD 1974 vinyl (06:42-07:18) Quote
Big Al Posted September 2, 2003 Report Posted September 2, 2003 Anyone notice how the opening bass riff of "Black Market" sounds a lot like the repetitive riff used on Match Game? Quote
Joe G Posted September 2, 2003 Author Report Posted September 2, 2003 Interesting. It sounds like they came from the same source, as the perceived dropout is there on the vinyl too. There's a warmth to the vinyl that I like, but the cd isn't too bad either. Thanks for setting that up! Quote
Joe G Posted September 2, 2003 Author Report Posted September 2, 2003 Jim, I picked up "Live and Unreleased" yesterday, I've heard a lot of stuff from seasoned WR fans that it is not considered to be their best, I think it's very nice, especially "Where the Moon Goes" and Jaco's feature. CJ, I gave Where the Moon Goes a listen today after reading your post. That's a weird tune! Especially the vocals. Oh, the 80's <shudder>. I've been mainly listening to the first disc; all the stuff with Chester Thompson. Quote
CJ Shearn Posted September 2, 2003 Report Posted September 2, 2003 (edited) Joe, yes that tune is very weird. I just moved into my dorm again so it definitely tests the limits of the small surround speakers I have. What time sig is that in? sounds like 6 or 7 something to me. Live and Unreleased is my first WR purchase and I dig what I hear, gotta get the studio stuff and I decided to wait until I have more $$ to blow before getting "Live in Tokyo", probably till my next check. Edited September 2, 2003 by CJ Shearn Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted September 2, 2003 Report Posted September 2, 2003 Just wondering if anyone knows about the latest remaster of Mysterious Traveller. It has a very dampened sound compared to Tale Spinnin' and Black Market. Also I heard some dropout in the middle of the first track. It sounds to me like it came from a secondary source. Anyone have the scoop on it? Watch out Joe, you're becoming an audiophile... Quote
Joe G Posted September 2, 2003 Author Report Posted September 2, 2003 A slippery slope for sure... Quote
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