EKE BBB Posted October 14, 2020 Report Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) Forthcoming release (Nov 27): Barney Wilen Quartet feat. Tete Montoliu – Grenoble ’88 (Limited 180 Gram Gatefold LP Edition) Recorded live at the Grenoble Jazz Festival, February 12, 1988 - Previously unissued Barney Wilen: tenor and soprano sax Tete Montoliu: piano Riccardo del Fra: bass Aaron Scott: drums SIDE A: 1. L’ÂME DES POÈTES 9:49 (Charles Trénet) [Wilen-Del Fra duet] 2. ’ROUND MIDNIGHT 8:46 (Thelonious Monk) 3. SUMMERTIME 8:34 (George & Ira Gershwin – DuBose Heyward) SIDE B: 1. ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE 8:23 (Jerome Kern – Oscar Hammerstein II) 2. LA VALSE DES LILAS 5:47 (Michel Legrand – Eddy Marnay-Eddie Barclay) 3. MEDLEY: SOUS LE CIEL DE PARIS / AUTUMN LEAVES (LES FEUILLES MORTES) (Jean Dréjac – Hubert Giraud) / (Jacques Prévert-Joseph Kosma-Johnny Mercer) 12:57 Edited October 14, 2020 by EKE BBB Quote
soulpope Posted October 14, 2020 Report Posted October 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, EKE BBB said: Forthcoming release (Nov 27): Barney Wilen Quartet feat. Tete Montoliu – Grenoble ’88 (Limited 180 Gram Gatefold LP Edition) Recorded live at the Grenoble Jazz Festival, February 12, 1988 - Previously unissued Barney Wilen: tenor and soprano sax Tete Montoliu: piano Riccardo del Fra: bass Aaron Scott: drums SIDE A: 1. L’ÂME DES POÈTES 9:49 (Charles Trénet) [Wilen-Del Fra duet] 2. ’ROUND MIDNIGHT 8:46 (Thelonious Monk) 3. SUMMERTIME 8:34 (George & Ira Gershwin – DuBose Heyward) SIDE B: 1. ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE 8:23 (Jerome Kern – Oscar Hammerstein II) 2. LA VALSE DES LILAS 5:47 (Michel Legrand – Eddy Marnay-Eddie Barclay) 3. MEDLEY: SOUS LE CIEL DE PARIS / AUTUMN LEAVES (LES FEUILLES MORTES) (Jean Dréjac – Hubert Giraud) / (Jacques Prévert-Joseph Kosma-Johnny Mercer) 12:57 Looks tasty indeed .... but as "Side A + B" ist this vinyl only or also CD .... ? Quote
EKE BBB Posted October 14, 2020 Author Report Posted October 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, soulpope said: Looks tasty indeed .... but as "Side A + B" ist this vinyl only or also CD .... ? So far it's only been announced as "limited 180 gram gatefold LP edition". Quote
EKE BBB Posted October 14, 2020 Author Report Posted October 14, 2020 About the blurb (Philippe Vincent, Jazz Magazine): “To my knowledge, Barney Wilen and Tete Montoliu had never played together before. The uniqueness of the event gives it even more flavour”. To my knowledge, they HAD played together before: On March 6, 1960, the III Gala Internacional del Jazz took place at the Teatro Calderón in Barcelona. The morning concert started with the Tete Montoliu Y Sus All Stars group [Tete Montoliu (ldr, p), Perry Robinson (cl), Álvaro 'Vicho' Vicencio (ts), Antonio Vidal (b), Luis Sangareau (d)], followed by the Barney Wilen Quartet with Kenny Clarke and Oscar Pettiford (though bassist was finally replaced by Paul Rovère). A jam session with Barney Wilen, Tete Montoliu, Kenny Clarke, Paul Rovère, 'Vicho' Vicencio and Perry Robinson followed this concert. It was reviewed in Club de Ritmo #167, March 1960. Quote
soulpope Posted October 14, 2020 Report Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, EKE BBB said: So far it's only been announced as "limited 180 gram gatefold LP edition". Thnx .... seems like another chapter of "how to ignore potential customers" .... Quote
thirdtry Posted October 14, 2020 Report Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) DeepDiscount.com has it listed as coming out on CD on December 4th. It's a 2CD set. Edited October 14, 2020 by thirdtry Quote
kh1958 Posted October 14, 2020 Report Posted October 14, 2020 This one recently came out on both LP and CD and sure is nice. Barney Wilen & Alain Jean-Marie – Montréal Duets – Limited Gatefold LP 180 Gram & 2CD Digipack Edition ELEMENTAL MUSIC PRESENTS A NEVER BEFORE HEARD DUO PERFORMANCE BY THE GREAT FRENCH SAXOPHONIST AND THE EXQUISITE PIANIST IN PRISTINE SOUND QUALITY!! ALL TRACKS PREVIOUSLY UNISSUED. INCLUDES SPECIAL ESSAYS BY FAMED JAZZ WRITERS PASCAL ANQUETIL (JAZZ MAGAZINE) & BRIAN MORTON (PENGUIN GUIDE TO JAZZ) LP TRACKLIST SIDE A 1 SKATING IN CENTRAL PARK 10:39 2 ‘ROUND MIDNIGHT 10:06 3 I’M A FOOL TO WANT YOU 8:49 SIDE B 1 MEDLEY: REPETITION /NO PROBLEM 12:03 2 MY FUNNY VALENTINE [Dedicated to Chet Baker] 8:55 3 BÉSAME MUCHO 8:56 CD TRACKLIST CD1 FIRST CONCERT (8:00 PM) 1 ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE 10:34 2 SKATING IN CENTRAL PARK 10:52 3 ‘ROUND MIDNIGHT 10:36 4 MEDLEY: REPETITION / NO PROBLEM 12:19 5 MY FUNNY VALENTINE [Dedicated to Chet Baker] 9:25 6 A NIGHT IN TUNISIA [Dedicated to Dizzy Gillespie] 6:00 7 LATIN ALLEY 7:20 8 GOODBYE 7:58 Total Time: 75:04 CD2 SECOND CONCERT (10:30 PM) 1 ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE #2 5:12 2 SKATING IN CENTRAL PARK #2 9:08 3 I’M A FOOL TO WANT YOU [Dedicated to Chet Baker] 9:26 4 BOHEMIA AFTER DARK 6:27 5 ‘ROUND MIDNIGHT #2 8:32 6 MEDLEY: REPETITION #2 /NO PROBLEM #2 9:34 7 A NIGHT IN TUNISIA #2 [Dedicated to Dizzy Gillespie] 6:27 8 BÉSAME MUCHO 10:03 9 GOODBYE #2 7:27 Total Time: 72:16 PERSONNEL: BARNEY WILEN, SAX TENOR & SOPRANO ALAIN JEAN-MARIE PIANO Recorded live at The Festval International de Jazz de Montréal, Church of the Gesù, Montrleal, Canada, July 4, 1993 Quote
EKE BBB Posted October 14, 2020 Author Report Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) Thanks for the reminder on this previous release, kh1958! Back on the upcoming one, I still wonder how it can come up to 2 discs for the CD version, if time only runs up to 54', at least as long as the current information on the tracks included is correct. Against this background, we would gather that the upcoming release does not include the complete concert. From the information in my files -coming directly from Radio France archives-, at least we are missing “Billie’s Bounce” (7:45); “Montalia/Invitation” (13:15); “Blues for DN” (3:30); “Scrapple from the Apple” (7:00); and “Someday My Prince Will Come” (7:20). BTW, this concert took place at the Grande Salle, Le Cargo, and was recorded and partially broadcast by Radio France. Edited October 14, 2020 by EKE BBB Quote
soulpope Posted October 14, 2020 Report Posted October 14, 2020 2 hours ago, thirdtry said: DeepDiscount.com has it listed as coming out on CD on December 4th. It's a 2CD set. Thnx .... Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 14, 2020 Report Posted October 14, 2020 11 hours ago, EKE BBB said: About the blurb (Philippe Vincent, Jazz Magazine): “To my knowledge, Barney Wilen and Tete Montoliu had never played together before. The uniqueness of the event gives it even more flavour”. To my knowledge, they HAD played together before: On March 6, 1960, the III Gala Internacional del Jazz took place at the Teatro Calderón in Barcelona. The morning concert started with the Tete Montoliu Y Sus All Stars group [Tete Montoliu (ldr, p), Perry Robinson (cl), Álvaro 'Vicho' Vicencio (ts), Antonio Vidal (b), Luis Sangareau (d)], followed by the Barney Wilen Quartet with Kenny Clarke and Oscar Pettiford (though bassist was finally replaced by Paul Rovère). A jam session with Barney Wilen, Tete Montoliu, Kenny Clarke, Paul Rovère, 'Vicho' Vicencio and Perry Robinson followed this concert. It was reviewed in Club de Ritmo #167, March 1960. I was gonna say when I saw this on instagram that they surely had to have played together before. Would have been nice had Wilen made it to Scandinavia to play with Tete a few years later as well... Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted October 14, 2020 Report Posted October 14, 2020 9 hours ago, thirdtry said: DeepDiscount.com has it listed as coming out on CD on December 4th. It's a 2CD set. If it's coming out as a 2 CD set, I'd say it's a safe bet that it's going to have a lot more music than this single LP. Quote
EKE BBB Posted October 15, 2020 Author Report Posted October 15, 2020 7 hours ago, bresna said: If it's coming out as a 2 CD set, I'd say it's a safe bet that it's going to have a lot more music than this single LP. So maybe it will include the complete concert (see my post above). Quote
EKE BBB Posted October 15, 2020 Author Report Posted October 15, 2020 Yes, the estate of Barney Wilen just confirmed on FB that the CD edition (1 CD) will include the missing tracks. Quote
soulpope Posted October 15, 2020 Report Posted October 15, 2020 51 minutes ago, EKE BBB said: Yes, the estate of Barney Wilen just confirmed on FB that the CD edition (1 CD) will include the missing tracks. Thnx for the good news ..... making this an obligatory buy .... Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted October 15, 2020 Report Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, EKE BBB said: Yes, the estate of Barney Wilen just confirmed on FB that the CD edition (1 CD) will include the missing tracks. If what has been posted for timings is correct, this wouldn't fit onto 1 CD. I calculate 93 minutes (54 minutes for the LP tracks + 7:45 + 13:15 + 3:30 + 7:00 + 7:20 for the extra tracks). Quote
jazzbo Posted October 15, 2020 Report Posted October 15, 2020 Dusty says it's TWO cds, 12/4/2020 Quote
EKE BBB Posted October 15, 2020 Author Report Posted October 15, 2020 36 minutes ago, jazzbo said: Dusty says it's TWO cds, 12/4/2020 52 minutes ago, bresna said: If what has been posted for timings is correct, this wouldn't fit onto 1 CD. I calculate 93 minutes (54 minutes for the LP tracks + 7:45 + 13:15 + 3:30 + 7:00 + 7:20 for the extra tracks). Yes, it is my mistake. I misinterpreted their FB post. Quote
EKE BBB Posted January 27, 2021 Author Report Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) This is how this concert now looks like in my TM Discography. I have identified some mistakes in the instrumention listed in the Radio France files that I was provided with some fifteen years ago. No instrument specifics in the booklet from the Elemental Music 2-cd release. Further confirmation by more trained ears than mine would be much appreciated, particularly on soprano AND tenor sax on tracks 10 and 11. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: February 12, 1988 Location: Grenoble Jazz Festival, Grande Salle, Le Cargo, Grenoble, France Label: [radio broadcast] Barney Wilen (ldr, ss, ts), Tete Montoliu (p), Ricardo Del Fra (b), Aaron Scott (d) a. 01 L'âme Des Pòetes - 9:11 (Charles Trenet) b. 02 Billie's Bounce - 7:38 (Charlie Parker) c. 03 'Round Midnight – 8:20 (Thelonious Monk, Bernie Hanighen, Cootie Williams) d. 04 Summertime - 8:22 (George Gershwin, Dubose Heyward) e. 05 It Never Entered My Mind (Richard Rodgers, Lorenz Hart) f. Invitation - 13:12 (Paul Francis Webster, Bronislau Kaper) g. 06 All The Things You Are – 7:59 (Jerome Kern, Oscar Hammerstein II) h. 07 Once Upon A Summertime [aka La Valse des Lilas] - 5:25 (Johnny Mercer, Michel Legrand, Edmond David Bacri) i. 08 Sous Le Ciel De Paris (Hubert Giraud, Jean Andre Brun) j. Autumn Leaves [aka Les Feuilles Mortes] - 12:06 (Jacques Prevert, Joseph Kosma, Johnny Mercer) k. 09 Blues For DN – 3:35 (Barney Wilen, Tete Montoliu) l. 10 Scrapple From The Apple – 6:54 (Charlie Parker) m. 11 Someday My Prince Will Come - 7:25 (Frank E. Churchill, Larry Morey) All titles on: Elemental Music CD: 5990438 — Barney Wilen Quartet Feat. Tete Montoliu. Grenoble ‘88 (2020) Barney Wilen (ss) on a, c, l-m; (ts) on a-b, d, g-m. Tete Montoliu (p) on b-m. Ricardo Del Fra (b) on a-d, f-m. Aaron Scott (d) on b-d, f-m. e, f played as a medley. i, j played as a medley. Recorded and partially broadcast (b, d, h, i, j, l) by Radio France. e listed as 'Montalia' on Radio France files. h listed as two different tunes on Radio France files ('La Valse Des Lilas' and 'Once Upon A Summertime'), but in fact this is just one Michel Legrand composition with two alternative titles. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited January 27, 2021 by EKE BBB Quote
EKE BBB Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Posted January 28, 2021 No trained ears to ascertain whether it is soprano AND tenor on those two tracks? (links to youtube included for easiness of access to the music) For me it's clear, but I would like to have a second qualified opinion. Quote
Dub Modal Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 5 hours ago, EKE BBB said: No trained ears to ascertain whether it is soprano AND tenor on those two tracks? (links to youtube included for easiness of access to the music) For me it's clear, but I would like to have a second qualified opinion. I'm not qualified because my ears aren't trained. but that's definitely soprano & tenor on those tracks. (and a whole lotta applause at the end of Scrapple!) Quote
EKE BBB Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Posted January 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: I'm not qualified because my ears aren't trained. but that's definitely soprano & tenor on those tracks. Thanks for your input. Much appreciated... and qualified indeed! 9 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: (and a whole lotta applause at the end of Scrapple!) Certainly, quite irritating cd-filler, not only on Scrapple From The Apple. Quote
AaronG Posted February 1, 2021 Report Posted February 1, 2021 Anyone know a good source for these Barney Wilen Elemental releases (CD versions) besides Amazon? No one else seems to have them in stock. Quote
kh1958 Posted February 1, 2021 Report Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, AaronG said: Anyone know a good source for these Barney Wilen Elemental releases (CD versions) besides Amazon? No one else seems to have them in stock. I bought them from dustygroove. Edited February 1, 2021 by kh1958 Quote
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