medjuck Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 I'm loving this release. Both concerts-- though I played 1975 first since I've heard so many of the '64 concerts. (I think I have most of them on DVD). Just as I was thinking that Johnny Coles was really sounding like mid-'50s Miles on" Meditations on Integration" he quoted both "Bye Bye Blackbird" and "I Got Plenty of Nothin'". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 The recording captures Johnny Coles' sound very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ejp626 Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 On 2020-09-28 at 11:08 AM, bertrand said: Jack Walrath recently confirmed on Facebook that the titles for Cell Block F and Rockefeller were flipped, i.e., the first song on Changes One in Cell Block F. Both tunes are on the Bremen set. Will this be corrected? This may just go down as an unfortunate historical accident, but it seems a bit late in the day to try to get people to mentally switch over if the labelling on the Changes CDs is incorrect (and no one is seriously talking about repressing these with new titles...). At any rate, I was just listening, and "Free Cell Block F" matches the first song on Changes Two, which is also titled (apparently incorrectly) "Free Cell Block F." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 I went back to the Mingus at Montreux CD, and Mingu s announces Cell Block F and proceeds to play the opening rune on Changes One. He would know... I was also unable to convince Mosaic that the titles for the Wayne Shorter pieces Blues A La Carte and Harry's Last Stand were flipped, although the copyright deposit lead sheets that Wayne sent in confirm it. Oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) So far I've only listened to the 1964 set. IMHO despite not being a hardcore Johnny Coles fan, this group was much better before he got sick and left - he made the ensembles so much richer. re "how many 1964 recordings do we need"... hard to answer. Depends on how much you love the music. I bucket this with 1960s Coltrane and 1960s/70s Miles Davis ensembles where I'm glad to have a lot of recordings and in some cases wish we had more. Looking forward to spending time w/1975. Edited February 9, 2021 by Guy Berger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 40 minutes ago, Guy Berger said: re "how many 1964 recordings do we need"... like the man said, how many you got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 As many as there are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 That many, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 On 11/27/2020 at 1:39 PM, medjuck said: I'm loving this release. Both concerts-- though I played 1975 first since I've heard so many of the '64 concerts. (I think I have most of them on DVD). Just as I was thinking that Johnny Coles was really sounding like mid-'50s Miles on" Meditations on Integration" he quoted both "Bye Bye Blackbird" and "I Got Plenty of Nothin'". How many of the 64 concerts are on DVD? This is news to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 This one of course from the 2nd Jazz Icons box - https://www.amazon.com/Jazz-Icons-Charles-Mingus-Live/dp/B000TNJIJM/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=mingus+64&qid=1612941536&sr=8-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 8 hours ago, ejp626 said: This one of course from the 2nd Jazz Icons box - https://www.amazon.com/Jazz-Icons-Charles-Mingus-Live/dp/B000TNJIJM/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=mingus+64&qid=1612941536&sr=8-1 Yes. Plus one other I found on YouTube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) OK, so 'most' of them are not on DVD. I thought I was missing something! I went through the discography. I have all the official recordings from the tour (inlcuding the Mosaic box and the DVD), and just got the Copenhagen bootleg which is great. I think one or two of them I only got as downloads, I need to look into that. I also have a download of at least one bootleg. This makes me wonder how many of these were filmed beyond those discussed above... Bertrand. EDIT I only got Revenge! as a free download from the Library, I wonder if it is still in print. I also have a download of Stuttgart, I think there was a bootleg. I actually made a playlist from the tour (and US pre-tour). Here is what I have. Am I missing anything? Cornell 3/18/64 (Blue Note CD) Town Hall 4/4/64 (Fantasy CD - partial concert; full concert in the Mosaic Box) Concertgebouw 4/10/64 (Mosaic Box) Copenhagen 4/14/64 (Bootleg CD on Hi Hat) Bremen 4/16/64 (Sunnyside CD) Paris 4/17/64 (Revenge!) Paris 4/19/64 (Great Concert) Wuppertal 4/26/64 (In Europe 1 and 2 on Enja) Stuttgart 4/28/64 (Bootleg CD?) Edited February 10, 2021 by bertrand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles65 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, bertrand said: OK, so 'most' of them are not on DVD. I thought I was missing something! I went through the discography. I have all the official recordings from the tour (inlcuding the Mosaic box and the DVD), and just got the Copenhagen bootleg which is great. I think one or two of them I only got as downloads, I need to look into that. I also have a download of at least one bootleg. This makes me wonder how many of these were filmed beyond those discussed above... Bertrand. EDIT I only got Revenge! as a free download from the Library, I wonder if it is still in print. I also have a download of Stuttgart, I think there was a bootleg. I actually made a playlist from the tour (and US pre-tour). Here is what I have. Am I missing anything? Cornell 3/18/64 (Blue Note CD) Town Hall 4/4/64 (Fantasy CD - partial concert; full concert in the Mosaic Box) Concertgebouw 4/10/64 (Mosaic Box) Copenhagen 4/14/64 (Bootleg CD on Hi Hat) Bremen 4/16/64 (Sunnyside CD) Paris 4/17/64 (Revenge!) Paris 4/19/64 (Great Concert) Wuppertal 4/26/64 (In Europe 1 and 2 on Enja) Stuttgart 4/28/64 (Bootleg CD?) Oslo 4/12/64 Stockholm 4/13/64 Both partialy on Jazz Icons DVD. CD's are near imposible to find. Edited February 10, 2021 by miles65 typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Thanks! The DVD also has some tracks from Belgium. Other than the Jazz Icons DVD, is there any other footage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 19 hours ago, kh1958 said: As many as there are. Yep .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 Dolphy’s bass clarinet excursion on “Fables Of Faubus” (disc 1) sounded symphonic to me tonight in its range and import. Not to be missed. Been awhile since I listened to any of the other numerous Mingus ‘64 recordings that I have, so I should go back and listen again to what he does on different performances, but ffs, he was a thrill to follow with the ears here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 What I love about great music is that no matter how times you hear it, there's always something new to lean your ear toward. Right now, it's Clifford Jorday on the 64 Bremen. I mean, my god, everything by this band, ever, please. But of course, Dolphy, and then Byard will grab your ears by the balls. But let the swelling subside, and oh MY, Clifford Jordan, y'all! Great music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 Mingus had so many different periods, I mean the early days of the workshop, the blues and gospel thing in the late 50´s early 60´s , then a period I don´t like so much when he played more piano and let somebody else play the bass, and then THE GREATEST BAND and greatest music. Everything after that became a disappointment, until 1975 with Adams and Pullen, and then Walrath Ricky Ford Bob Neloms.... So this album has the two very best bands that Mingus had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 21 hours ago, Gheorghe said: Mingus had so many different periods, I mean the early days of the workshop, the blues and gospel thing in the late 50´s early 60´s , then a period I don´t like so much when he played more piano and let somebody else play the bass, and then THE GREATEST BAND and greatest music. Everything after that became a disappointment, until 1975 with Adams and Pullen, and then Walrath Ricky Ford Bob Neloms.... So this album has the two very best bands that Mingus had. Check out "Let My Children Hear Music" from the early 70's. A masterpiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 On 19.8.2021 at 4:33 AM, felser said: Check out "Let My Children Hear Music" from the early 70's. A masterpiece. Sure I know it and appreciate it, but I´m referring to the working groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 On 8/18/2021 at 11:58 PM, Gheorghe said: Mingus had so many different periods, I mean the early days of the workshop, the blues and gospel thing in the late 50´s early 60´s , then a period I don´t like so much when he played more piano and let somebody else play the bass, and then THE GREATEST BAND and greatest music. Everything after that became a disappointment, until 1975 with Adams and Pullen, and then Walrath Ricky Ford Bob Neloms.... So this album has the two very best bands that Mingus had. I would add the base 1957 group to those two--with Jimmy Knepper, Shafi Hadi and Dannie Richmond, with various pianists and sometimes, Gene Shaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 Shafi Hadi is an unsung hero. Perhaps not readily apparent, but over time, yeah, all is revealed. It wsa on either the Mobley or Morgan 50s Mosiacs (Mob;ey, right?) that that really came into focus for me. A real voice, he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 I love Hadi with Mingus. This is the Blue Note appearance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Mobley_(album) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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